Kyle Rittenhouse’s sister Faith is seeking $3,000 on a crowdfunding website in a bid to prevent the eviction of herself and her mother Wendy from their home, citing her “brother’s unwillingness to provide or contribute to our family.”
Why would anyone donate to them or why would he?
This is just putting family drama on online lol
Clowns all around
Why would anyone donate to them or why would he?
Virtue signaling, mostly. Saying you care but evil stupid leftists don’t, because you’re sending money to
professional griftersa bunch of innocent victims.
Another “family values” type doesn’t seem to give a shit about his own family. Bet he has strong opinions on abortion though.
I don’t think he ever said anything about family values
So much down votes but zero rebuttal…
It seems facts hurt some people around here. Really wouldn’t want them getting in the way of a good circle jerk.
reply said, “I don’t think” as in they don’t actually know. Something like a cited source might help and receive actual conversation or else it’s just fluff much like your conjecture. It’s easy to assume his “family values” from the rightwing conservative aspect and being a member of the “Proud boys” and all. But please, continue the inner circle jerk you’ve started.
Something like a cited source might help and receive actual conversation
what. you’re asking me to give a source for a negative. do you expect me to chronicle every word he’s ever said to show he never said the words family values. will you do the same to confirm what I said?
being a member of the “Proud boys”
this statement is untrue and I do have a source for it, or as best as you can get for proving a negative.
Everyone’s favorite game show: Child, Senior, or Foreign Agent?
You really posted a nexstar/Mission Media article as a source to defend a right wing ignoramus. It’s like poetry. Get a shred of media literacy, please.
The author of the article really doesn’t matter when the quote is true…
The author of the article really doesn’t matter when the quote is true…
It’s easy to assume his “family values”
Thanks, champ!
This summarized the entire thread lol
Kyle Murderhouse is a far right pos. The far right constantly cries about family values.
Isn’t the right all about “family values?” Being “good” christians and whatnot? It goes with the territory.
There are plenty of right wing atheists…
All right wingers support the imposition of the right’s hypocritical version of Christianity regardless of their personal beliefs.
wdym?
Albinos exist also, what’s your point?
The overwhelming majority of right wing nutters are christian cultists.
Yes there are. And most of them vote for conservative Democrats
Can you name a prominent right wing Atheist
Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Michael Shermer.
All prominent atheists, all decidedly right-wing. If you want to include dead atheists, then I’d also say Christopher Hitchens was decidedly right wing on a lot of issues.
Richard Dawkins is definitely NOT right wing lmao
Sam Harris is NOT right wing
I don’t know Michael Shermer, but he states he’s fiscal conservative but social liberal, I’m not sure I’d count that as “decidedly right wing” either.
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Why do they have to be prominent?
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Milton Friedman, Ayn Rand, Hayek, and many more
I love how the only three names you could come up with were dead people.
Or maybe it’s just who I thought of? I think it’s fair to even say Trump is effectively agnostic even if he wouldn’t admit it
- So people know their actual views semi widely, wouldn’t matter at all if you said “I have friends” as we have no way to look into their beliefs.
I mean, feel free to check my own comments if you want
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what? there are plenty of right-wing atheists, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc
You’re just mindlessly pigeonholing. You may be right, but it’s childish black and white thinking.
I feel for the family here. Kyle is a dick.
Something about apples and trees.
Well, I’ll be damned. Piece of ahit turns out to be a piece of shit. Color me surprised!
I’m honestly shocked that they aren’t rolling in cash. I’d have thought that a whole lot of money got sent to Kyle directly after he became famous.
He took it all.
That, somehow, is unsurprising.
Their complaint is that he isn’t sharing it.
Dang, it’s what happens when you read between emails. I missed the part that he wasn’t sharing.
Let them eat coffee.
Have they tried getting a job?
Work across state lines murkin folks is slow now maybe if trump wins again.
Yeah. Riiiight. He’s a giver.
Don’t they know if he gives them a handout it will create a dependency /s.
He’s got such a punchable face
Kyle Rittenhouse’s sister Faith is seeking $3,000 on a crowdfunding website in a bid to prevent the eviction of herself and her mother Wendy from their home, citing her “brother’s unwillingness to provide or contribute to our family.”
The piece of shit is being a total piece of shit? shocked pikachu
While shitty, what does him helping them financially have to do with anything? He shouldn’t be responsible for them. There are many people in the US in worse situations, and they don’t get special treatment because, I guess, they aren’t family with a famous murderer.
It’s his mom, Jesus dude.
Yeah, and we shouldn’t pity them because they have an asshole son. Sure, it’d be the right thing for him to do if he were a good person, but him not taking financial responsibility for them doesn’t mean anyone else should be either. I’d much rather them help someone else.
It’s his mom. What is wrong with you people? Me and my mom have a shit relationship but if I crippled her ability to work or she was going to be out on the street I would send her cash. Me and my wife send her parents money each month. It is a very small price to pay for giving me my partner.
Tbf, maybe we shouldn’t vilify them because of the actions of their son/brother so bad that they can’t be employed. I don’t hire people but the only reason not to would be the negative publicity from hiring them from people like those in this thread, I doubt if you gave his mom a job she’ll show up and shoot someone every morning.
They’re asking for money from other people. Yes, he should give them money. He is profiting off of murder. He’s an asshole. Why should anyone else give them money though? I don’t pity them. The mom raised an asshole murderer. Maybe it’s not her fault, but she has to have some responsibility in it.
Most people who aren’t conservative psychopaths actually like their families and want to help them when they can.
In this case (according to the donation page), he is part of the reason they are in this mess, as his mom is unable to find employment since everyone thinks she drove him to the protest where he shot those people.
Sounds like the town knows something we don’t or are they just punking this woman on a trust me bro.
Funny how society will act like this here but then we have Cathlic pedos living in the community and nothing happens.
People as a community have some weird sense of morals
I don’t think I would want anything to do with her either. It’s not fully rational or fair but it’s the way it is. Her position as his mom means she pretty much has to defend her son’s multiple murder and there are 8 billion people on earth, I don’t have to spend a minute with someone who would do that.
Plus if I was going to hire her I would wonder how much crap this is going to cost me. It’s not a heavily populated area and the name is rare enough. At best she is going to be neutral at worst she is going to attract the kind of people I don’t want around or infuriate other people.
I am a parent myself. If you don’t like my kids I don’t like you.
How do you feel about people who feel neutral about your kids?
Umm what does that even mean? How can anyone feel neutral to another human being? All I am picturing is you know someone exists but any amount of pain or pleasure they feel doesn’t impact you. Like if you could push a magic button to make them happy you wouldn’t bother since that would require effort and you are neutral.
I don’t know any people who are wired this way.
Umm what does that even mean? How can anyone feel neutral to another human being?
I just meant indifferent really.
All I am picturing is you know someone exists but any amount of pain or pleasure they feel doesn’t impact you.
There are a lot of people that currently exist and are in pain but it has little to no impact on me even though providing help would require nothing more than some more time and manpower.
Like if you could push a magic button to make them happy you wouldn’t bother since that would require effort and you are neutral.
This, I think provides for an interesting thought-experiment. Do we know how long it takes to press a button? Is the button-press speed limited by the latency of the circuitry it’s connected to? Exactly how many people are currently in pain? It’s obviously lots but can we come up with a relatively specific number? With what frequency does the number of suffering people change?
Then there are also some questions with more relative ethical implications that might also be: How many hours a week should a person spend pressing this button? How many people should press this button? If all previously suffering people are getting their buttons pressed then how will we know when someone is happy and flourishing? Isn’t suffering an implied opposite of flourishing? What other implications of the anti-suffering button are there?
I don’t know the answer to these questions, but you have certainly given me lot’s to ponder.
[edit][post] On further research I guess this sounds kind of like Negative Ultilitarianism which appears to be a subset of Utilitarianism.
Although that sucks, I can’t blame people for naturally putting some fault on her even for the wrong reasons.
I don’t think she should struggle but she did raise him. The punishment doesn’t fit the crime but imo parents should take responsibility of raising shitty kids.
Agreed.
We know that we are not the only family struggling to rebuild after that fateful night
And look at the struggles his sister is going through. Profound tone-deafness is a real wipepo problem, a syndrome second only to affluenza in terms of collateral damage and suffering.
She needs help! Hit up your friends; especially the strong ones who like pizza and beer. Dig deep for those truck keys and clear the calendars for next weekend so you can help … move.
they’re trying to get libs who hate kyle to help
well yeah, but like, if you get free money from people for shooting some guy at a protest, the least you could do is share some of that money with your family.
What makes you think this bastard comprehends the concept of empathy?
Bro djd you not see how torn up he was at the trial? He’s , like, the most empathetic person on earth.
Aaaaand now we’re back at the piece of shit acting like a piece of shit.
Most of us struggle month to month, most of us dont attempt to leech blood money to unburden our struggle. Most of us don’t run to the media to cry about how our murderthing fascist familial connection isn’t letting us leech their blood money.
If I was Kyle Rittenhouse, I wouldn’t give a single dime to the people who created Kyle Rittenhouse. They created an unlovable twerp, they shouldn’t profit from that.
Share it wider: “it takes a village to raise a vigilante” or at least to look the other way.
It takes a vigilante to raze a village? That other way?
I’m imagining the family from Million Dollar Baby walking in from Disney World going “What do you mean you ain’t got any more of that shootin’ people money??”
Source?
Sorry broke the link somehow, edited and fixed.
But who actually cares? Stop talking about this useless waste of life.
Welfare queens cry, more at 11
Charity != welfare, but I don’t a liberal to know the difference.
they need to cross state lines to shoot more unarmed people protesting against authoritarianism
unarmed people protesting against authoritarianism
https://youtu.be/Bv21bE9PWtE?t=10366
“It wasn’t until you pointed your gun at [Rittenhouse] — advanced on him with your gun, now your hands down, pointed at him — that he fired, right?” the defense said.
“Correct,” Grosskreutz replied.
LMAO nice username jackass
And the guy he actually killed had a skateboard! The other guy literally just had bag (lol dumbass).
See this is what’s so great. Circumstances don’t actually matter, you can go looking for blood equipped with a weapons meant to kill as many people as fast as possible, and as long as someone flinches, you can just murder them! It’s completely legal. I fucking love america.
Let me preface this with: Rittenhouse is a shithead and his politics are shit. But: have you watched the videos? If you’ve got a gun and someone tries to grapple with you, that is now a life or death situation. If you let them take your gun, you could very well be dead. It’s not a surprise that the jury acquitted him. Both shootings were demonstrably self-defense. I’m sick of us lefties falling for the same type of knee-jerk propagandistic nonsense the right always falls for.
He’s a shithead and he shouldn’t have been there but you’re right. People are angry because he was there with a gun and that’s valid, but technically he was within the law in doing so.
And the guy he actually killed had a skateboard!
Yeah, try to minimize this after you let someone whack you on the head full swing with a skateboard–that is, if you survive. They weigh over 10 pounds on average, did you know that? Very literally a potentially lethal weapon. Also, he actually WAS hit by a full swing of said skateboard, on the head, before he shot at that guy, who was clearly trying to kill him by doing so.
you can go looking for blood
Every single action he took in Kenosha directly contradicts this, lol.
and as long as someone flinches
Trying to kill someone is not a “flinch”. This is some absurd fantasizing you’re doing.
Everyone shot by Rittenhouse was actively in the act of attempting to kill him at the moment they were shot. The first LITERALLY screamed “I’m going to kill you”, and after chasing him down, tried to wrestle his rifle out of his hands (gee, wonder what he might want to do with it if he got a hold of it?). The second tried to cave his skull in with a heavy, blunt object. And the third was only shot after he pointed his handgun at him–luckily, Rittenhouse was able to react fast enough to stop him.
you let someone whack you on the head full swing with a skateboard
So, like, a club. A mace. A melee weapon against a semi-auto 5.56 broomstick with enough rounds to kill 30 people in as many seconds (with aiming) before requiring a reload.
Phew. Lucky he was there to be the timely victim; otherwise, who would that guy NOT SHOOT and the skateboard guy NOT HIT? It could’ve been anyone not injured at all from those people.
A melee weapon against a semi-auto 5.56 broomstick
Wrong. Not against anything, because Kyle was literally trying to flee when he was struck.
But both are lethal weapons, so it’s absolutely reasonable and justifiable to use either of them to prevent being killed by someone attacking you with the other.
Rittenhouse was 100% in the right to shoot that guy, who was trying to kill him, and had already landed blow that could have succeeded in doing so.
In not familiar with exactly what happened that night but just an uneducated guess:
All of the threats that Kyle encountered was in response to the fact that he was playing Timmy Toughguy and actively strolling around with a gun…
If he was just wandering around being an unarmed cunt then the chance of being swung at is still not zero but pretty damn close to it.
If at any point he ran - and kept running, or dropped the gun and ran, fully retreating from the crowd I doubt he would have been chased too far and the need to shoot would have been eliminated
In the same way he (correctly) saw others as a threat, the primary reason he was being threatened was because everyone else saw a random civilian with an assault rifle that was a 50x larger threat well before they threatened him. Even if he intended to do nothing with it, he knew he was sending a threatening message just being there with it and he then seemed shocked when people started responding to that threat - of course they would try and disarm him at a bare minimum.
The threat to Kyle at this point was genuinely high because most adults in the US - or anywhere - instantly recognise what a random civilian in public with an assault rifle means - mass shooting. This is exactly the message Kyle intended to send in order to scare rioters off. If he wasn’t there just to scare people off then he was there to actively murder people. At this point I could put it down to a dumb kid making a really stupid mistake. Maybe worth a few years in jail for gun charges or inciting violence?
But he didn’t retreat as he was being threatened - a fraction of what he was threatening others. He chose to attack instead and it’s at this point he deserves to spend the rest of his days rotting in jail. He tried to send a message, that message wasn’t received so he murdered those who were fearing for, and attempting to protect their own lives.
Kyle choose to be the aggressor - and much greater threat to anyone there - from the start. He wasn’t protecting his own family, house or neighbourhood, he crossed state lines to be an aggressor. Kyle continued to act as the aggressor at every stage of the encounter.
Fuck Kyle.
The problem comes in with
All of the threats that Kyle encountered was in response to the fact that he was playing Timmy Toughguy and actively strolling around with a gun…
Perhaps this may surprise you, but you are not legally justified in trying to kill someone just because they have a gun. Also not allowed to kill someone who has just legally defended themselves in a deadly force encounter, that is for the court system to decide. It is legal to get involved in third party encounters, however you best be sure you’re not helping the side that will later be declared the aggressor in court and so it is generally seen as very risky to do.
If at any point he ran - and kept running, or dropped the gun and ran, fully retreating from the crowd I doubt he would have been chased too far and the need to shoot would have been eliminated
Ok at this point it may behoove you to actually look at at least the videos of the incident if not the whole trial which was streamed. He did run. He walked by a car, Rosenbaum popped out screaming “I’m going to kill you,” Kyle runs, chase ensues, Kyle gets cornered and turns around to find Rosenbaum reaching for the gun, Kyle shoots Rosenbaum 4x, makes a phone call, the crowd yells “he just shot that dude, get him,” Kyle starts running again, unknown man hits him with a rock in the back of the head which downs Kyle, Kyle rolls over and misses Jump Kick Man, then another dude walks up but surrenders when Kyle points his rifle (but didn’t fire), then Huber hits him with a skateboard and gets shot attempting to take Kyle’s rifle, then Grosskreutz feigns surrender and pulls out a gun he wasn’t legally allowed to own pointing it at Kyle, Kyle shoots, Gabe backs off, Kyle gets up and goes to the line of police cars right up the road who give him a bottle of water and tell him to go home, he turns himself in the next day.
Again, you can’t “disarm someone” who is legally carrying a gun, that is illegal to do and constitutes a deadly threat, and if he shoots you for trying he will get off.
But he didn’t retreat as he was being threatened -
But he did, at every opportunity and by all definitions he retreated until he was cornered and then again until he was downed by a rock to the back of his head.
“The aggressor” isn’t whoever you decide, it’s the guy screaming “I’m going to fucking kill you” while chasing you through a parking lot.
Kyle wasn’t the only person there with a rifle.
Also if you’re not familiar with what happened that night, why are you commenting? Everybody makes assumptions based on the outcome of the incident, but nobody seems to have watched the videos which paint things differently and more clearly.
If everyone would shut the fuck up about this incident there wouldn’t be so much misinformation around it, and better yet we’d stop seeing this fuckface in the news.
No one could watch the videos and come away with this take you’ve constructed. He obviously is retreating in both videos. And carrying a gun in the open is not a provocation to violence. Not is it illegal in Wisconsin.
I hope that, rather than knee-jerk down vote, people will go watch both videos. We can do better than shitheads on the Donald.
People don’t care what is legal. Bring guns to this shit is what the issue and no mount it is legal going to change anyones opniom or would make them want to be around this shit stain or anyone else bringing weapons around like that.
People don’t like guns around legal or not.
And I don’t like Taylor Swift but there’s not shit I can do except not listen to the radio. Can’t attack everyone who plays “she wears short skirts.”
People have a legal right to do legal things whether or not you like it and trying to stop them using physical violence makes you the aggressor both legally and morally.
If you’re not familiar, why don’t you inform yourself? There’s plenty of video footage of the night. There’s plenty of witness testimony. We all hate Kyle, myself included, but it doesn’t help to go around spreading misinformation. It makes our side look like imbeciles living up to the memes.
This is a lot of words to say that you don’t understand that nobody freaks out about someone open carrying in a state where open carry is legal.
No one felt threatened by his presence. No one reacted to him showing up. No one had any problem with him walking around doing his thing for hours, while the rifle was strapped to him the whole time. If him merely existing with a rifle on him was such a threat, why is that? How come no one gave a shit about him except for a crazy guy who set a fire that Kyle put out?
Funny how this question never gets an answer, because there’s no way to answer it honestly without piercing a massive hole in your argument.
Pfft , so if he didn’t kill everyone that night, obviously the people he victimized were the only ones who had any issues with him open carrying. Looks like someone is projecting massive argument holes.
the primary reason he was being threatened was because everyone else saw a random civilian with an assault rifle
This simply objectively bullshit, and you obviously don’t live in an open carry state. Nobody gave a shit about his rifle. There is video of him walking around, rifle in plain view, and nobody is even giving him a second glance.
he knew he was sending a threatening message just being there with it
More bullshit–even if he was trying to ‘send a threatening message’, he clearly failed, see referenced video above
he then seemed shocked when people started responding to that threat
Another lie. NOBODY “responded” to him being armed. He was attacked by a maniac for putting out the dumpster fire said maniac set. Had literally nothing to do with his rifle. And that attack is what caused the two other idiots to try to kill Rittenhouse, and in turn reap the consequences.
Your delusion that he was this menacing, threatening presence just by existing in Kenosha while having a rifle strapped to him is pure fantasy, period.
luckily, Rittenhouse was able to react fast enough to stop him
No. Rittenhouse is a fucking fool who should be ashamed that his decision to bring a rifle to “assist as a medic” caused this entire scenario. Wandering alone, caused this scenario. He only walked on the charges because he was juuust within the law, not because he was a hero
Like yes, when he was filmed extinguishing a dumpster on fire, and walking around asking people if they need help, that’s admirable. But just as we rightfully criticize cops who let situations escalate and are ‘forced’ into using lethal force, so too with Kyle. He’s the idiot who inserted a rifle into the scene and went wayyy away from friendlies off on his own
assist as a medic
Is that the story now? I thought he was protecting businesses that never asked for his help.
He had gloves and a med bag that was completely insufficient for anything remotely traumatic. Like, yknow gunfire
his decision to bring a rifle to “assist as a medic” caused this entire scenario.
Objectively untrue. The ‘scenario’ was instigated by a maniac going into a literal homicidal rage over having a dumpster fire he set, extinguished. It had literally nothing to do with the fact that the person who put out that fire was armed.
P.S. Well, actually, it may have, but not for the reason most think–I have a ‘pet theory’ that Rosenbaum freaked out on Rittenhouse because he wanted to get shot and killed. This is based on a few things: the fact that Rosenbaum was suicidal–in fact, he was let out of a mental health facility’s 3 day hold FOR a suicide attempt literally THAT DAY. Secondly, simply the fact that the way he reacted makes literally no sense, completely over the top, and would be arguably comically exaggerated if it happened in fiction. And reason 2.5 is that he, unarmed, screamed death threats at and then chased down and attacked a clearly armed person, which is something only someone who was completely out of their mind, and who had no sense of self-preservation, would do.
We can play the blame game all the way back to Chauvin, gutting of mental health facilities, slavery, etc but Kyle decided to insert a rifle into a situation that neither he, nor the rifle, was invited to. He went looking for problems to solve, strayed far from the group he was seen with/the police/safety/etc and naively went towards the rioters and protesters.
Regardless of morality or the law, that decision has ruined his life and caused the death and injury of multiple others. They were turbo dumb for chasing him, but Kyle was astoundingly stupid to drive from his home and come to Kenosha. He was looking for trouble to solve, got in too deep and like the untrained and dangerous fool he was, shot his way out of it.
Kyle decided to insert a rifle into a situation that neither he, nor the rifle, was invited to.
He had orders of magnitude more justification in being there than any of the three who attacked him. His father lives there, for crying out loud–it’s part of his community. Also, those three came from further away, and have zero ties to Kenosha. They fucked around, they found out. If they had left Rittenhouse alone, he would have continued with his graffiti cleaning, fire extinguishing, water bottle dispensing, and basic medical aid giving, until the end of the day, and gone home. That’s literally all he was doing until a maniac went into a literal homicidal rage in response to a fire he set being extinguished.
got in too deep and like the untrained and dangerous fool he was, shot his way out of it.
On the contrary, the way he handled the threats to his life was admirable and respectable, and I honestly don’t know how he could have handled it better than he did:
- His first response to aggression was consistently de-escalation/fleeing
- He waited until that absolute last moment to fire his weapon. If he waited literally a moment longer in any of the three instances, he likely would have been killed himself, either by his own rifle (Rosenbaum), another full-swung strike to the head by a skateboard (Huber), or by an illegally-possessed handgun (Grosskreutz)
- He fired accurately and conservatively, hitting no one and nothing other than his target every time, and firing only a few times. No ‘mag dumps’ here, as you’ll often see police do.
- His trigger discipline was immaculate in the one video where you can see clearly enough to observe it. The moment Grosskreutz is no longer a threat to him, his finger is immediately off the trigger and back around the guard, as he slowly gets back up to his feet
If every cop in the US was as disciplined in their firearm usage as Rittenhouse was that day, we’d have way fewer police shooting scandals in this country.
Don’t forget in the dumpster fire video (which btw, Kyle wasn’t even the dude who put out the fire, but they were both wearing OD green shirts and jeans. The dude who put out the fire had a plate carrier and a different face, but close enough that I think Rosenbaum mistook Kyle for that guy). After that Kyle lookalike puts out his fire Rosenbaum gets in his face screaming “shoot me N-word” (I censored it, Rosenbaum had a pass I guess because nobody cares he said it.)
Oh so “wandering alone” is it? You gonna tell a lady that “wandering alone” is what caused her rape?
Fortunately, people aren’t legally justified in attacking “alone” people for being alone.
Never said Rosenbaum, Huber, or Grosskreutz were justified. The court ruled correctly that in that microcosm of each shooting, Kyle acted lawfully. He didn’t magdump, or shoot at the crowd +20 yards away, he didn’t threaten others.
Rosenbaum made threats to kill both of them, saying “if I catch any of you guys alone tonight, I’m going to fucking kill you!”
But if you can’t see why him roaming alone in a riot situation with a rifle caused this scenario? Bruh.
If he left the rifle at home, he wouldn’t have gotten into a wrestling match over it with Rosenbaum. If he had stayed with the group, Rosenbaum wouldnt have had the chance to fight him. If he hadn’t violated the curfew in place to go be a wannabe hero, none of this would have happened
Ah so he should not have been out alone at night in that short skirt, I understand now, he was asking for it! He actually liked it anyway, I could tell, walking around alone like a slut like that just begging to get his gun taken, how could Rosenbaum resist?
Rittenhouse is an idiot who shouldn’t have crossed state lines to go play police officer in another state. I have no problem that his life has been ruined, and if he had been convicted, I wouldn’t have shed a tear. Not to mention he is a fucking twat (if what the sister says is true) for not helping them out considering it was his stupidity that put this crosshair on their back. So make no mistake about where I stand on this. The guy is an idiot, but I don’t think he was “looking for blood.”
That being said, the guy didn’t just “have a skateboard” we have a video of him chasing a fleeing rittenhouse and attacking him with the skateboard and trying to grab the gun. The other guy is seen chasing a fleeing Rittenhouse when he turns and shoots. Neither of these people just “flinched.” They were both clearly aggressors.
Was he justified in shooting them? I’m not so sure. I tend to lean towards “no.” But the fact that you’re grossly misinterpreting what actually happened leads me to believe that you are not so sure either. One who is confident that the facts support claim doesn’t feel the need to grossly misrepresent the facts.
If you try to Defend yourself from a Random Person with a Gun you DESERVE TO DIE!
No one alleged that Rittenhouse pointed the gun at anyone before he was charged. You need to reexamine your priors on this one.
That being said, the guy didn’t just “have a skateboard” we have a video of him chasing a fleeing rittenhouse and attacking him with the skateboard and trying to grab the gun.
Why was he doing that? Because I still haven’t heard why. Was he just out for blood and decided to attack a random teenager?
I don’t know why either. But my guess is he was being chased for shouting the N word at a BLM protest. Just a guess though. I doubt he was being cordial.
My guess is he was pointing the rifle at people like a moron.
Two things can be true.
Anyone can guess anything happened in the holes of our knowledge that confirms what we want to believe is true. How is your guess any better than the guess of some conservative who believes he was being attacked by criminals and had the right to defend himself?
Actually we have a pretty clear course of events from earlier in the night that helps paint a picture of why it started, though with Rosenbaum dead we can never “know,” we at least have some clues. Kyle was dressed similarly to another dude who put out Rosenbaum’s dumpster fire at the gas station from the “Shoot me N-word” video (the difference being that dude had a plate carrier while kyle did not). Rosenbaum and his friend Ziminski continued to start fires throughout the night, and at one point Kyle runs by alone. Rosenbaum then steps from behind the car he was hiding behind (as seen on the FBI drone footage) and initiates the chase screaming “I’m going to kill you.” Kyle gets cornered as Rosenbaum grabs for it, shoots Rosenbaum, hears “get him” and starts running towards police, gets hit with a rock and downed, misses jump kick man, gets hit with a skateboard and Huber tries to take his gun and gets shot, then Grosskreutz’s fake surrender.
Seems to indicate to me that it was started by Rosenbaum mistaking his identity and thinking he was the guy with the fire extinguisher from earlier.
How is your guess any better than the guess of some conservative who believes he was being attacked by criminals and had the right to defend himself?
It’s not any better than anyone else’s. I never claimed it was. That’s why I reiterated that is was an
opinionguess rather than fact.I never said my guess was more valid than others. If you feel I worded it that way then that’s on you. I was just saying what I felt regardless of what others feel on the subject.
Edit: opinion to guess correction
The most prominent explanation being that he was stopping an active shooter. But even if we accept that story, it completely undercuts the effective argument of “but he just had a skateboard and flinched!”
I think everyone in this situation thought they were doing the noble thing. It’s just easier to process if we assume one person is a bad guy, and the other person was acting nobly and rationally in pursuit of some higher purpose, rather than accepting the messy truth.
Except you are suggesting that the person with the skateboard was in the wrong. If he was stopping what he thought was someone about to kill people, which is not the most unfair assumption to make of a kid with a rifle who is obviously not approving of what he’s seeing, how was he in the wrong? Isn’t that the sort of person the news usually presents to us as the hero?
Except you are suggesting that the person with the skateboard was in the wrong.
No I’m not. I said what I said: he was not some person just holding a skate board who flinched, as painted, but an aggressor. Or are you arguing that charging someone and then hitting them with a skateboard is not aggressive?
how was he in the wrong?
Again, I did not say he was in the wrong. I just explicitly said I think he believes he was acting nobly.
The guy is an idiot, but I don’t think he was “looking for blood.”
Except that there’s a recording of him saying he wanted to shoot people
Typical librul carin bout facts
he didnt kill that guy
Never understood the absolutely twisted psychology of people who defend this gutter sludge of a human.
I agree that Kyle is a bad person, but the misinformation around the event only makes our side look like imbeciles. There is plenty of video footage and witness testimony. The whole trial was recorded. There is absolutely no excuse for some of the points being brought up in this thread. Kyle was a dumb 17 year old that should never have been there with a rifle.
Remember: the whole Kenosha riots started because of misinformation. The victim turned out to be a guy wielding a knife and running away in a car with two kids he was in the process of kidnapping. But, because of all the other events going on in the country, the narrative got twisted really fast.
There is plenty to criticize Kyle for. Idiot 17 year old at the wrong place and wrong time with a rifle. Repeating misinformation helps no one. I know social media is one big game of telephone and we can believe whatever we want since we all live in our own epistemic bubbles now but we gotta do better.
The person I responded to is a defender of conservatives in general. I’m not sure why you’re lecturing me about spreading misinformation, as I did nothing like that.
Lemmy in general I’ve noticed has a disregard for facts and really likes the overt sense of virtue signaling. Sure, Kyle is an awful human being, but there has to be a way to analyze the facts of the matter without resorting to using so much emotionally charged language. It comes off as really hollow and meaningless.
There is plenty of misinformation on the left in general surrounding the actions of that day. I noticed you are exclusively concerned with the ethical analysis of the situation while the person you are arguing with is clearly discussing the legal justification under American law. This type of game leads to a continuous back and forth in which wrong facts keep bubbling to the top. The Kenosha riots themselves were started because of the false assumption that another innocent black man was being targeted by law enforcement just off the tail of massive protests in MPLS a few weeks earlier.
Okay. There’s nothing unfactual about saying no one should be defending Rittenhouse.
Again, I never made any comment except that defending Kyle Rittenhouse means the commenter is shitty. Because he is. I’m not diving into the details because 1) I don’t need to 2) I don’t really care about the details of the case – I heard enough about them years ago.
There has to be a way to discuss whether an action is justified regardless of who the perpetrator is. Context matters. If we just go on these endless tirades attacking people nothing of substance is being accomplished except perhaps trying to score feel good points, and if that’s your goal then you do you. I personally find it’s more effective to counter their arguments with stronger counter arguments rather than calling conservatives “pathetic for being victims” or using ad-homs non stop.
So what if they’re defending Hitler? Were on Lemmy, we have mountains of facts and arguments for why Kyle was in the wrong. Let’s analyze those arguments and show a better way. I’m sorry if I come off as tone policing. I’m just tired of this inability to form strong counter points even though we know Kyle was not justified in being there with an AR-15 on that day.
You’re projecting–it’s people like you who are the armchair psychologists convinced of your assumptions of his motives, even when the facts directly contradict them.
All I’m doing is stating the facts. If they contradict your narrative, that’s because the narrative is wrong. Period.
Your motivations aren’t hard to ascertain.
You’ve proven beyond a doubt in this thread that your ability to ascertain motives is severely impaired.
Example: if you think my motive is to do anything but correct misinformation, you’re wrong (again).
And yet I’ve tagged you for supporting other conservatives specifically in the past… must have been total coincidence lol
Sounds like conservatives are more likely to get lied about around here, lol.
The fact that you tag people for reasons like that just tells me that you’re just another of the people who cares more about “supporting” a political team, than you are about finding and defending what’s actually true, regardless of which ‘team’ that truth may make look good or bad.
When you find me spreading the kind of easily-debunked falsehoods I’m correcting here, you might have an argument that holds some water. Don’t hold your breath, though.
Is Kyle Rittenhouse close to his mother and sister? If so then I feel like maybe he should help, as he has to have been profiting off of his new found fame. If not, then who cares? And why is this news? Because otherwise someone shouldn’t be expected to help estranged family members. If his mother was abusive would he be shamed by the press for not helping her?
There’s always another side to the story. But people always seem quick to hop on a bandwagon that fits their narrative. I left reddit because the toxic community. Seems Lemmy is no different.
I must be the only guy in the whole damn world who doesn’t immediately judge the decisions someone makes based on surfaces facts. Just hanging out on social media has done a lot to help me better understand why hyper polarization and hyper radical voting is happening in this world.
This is the part where where I insert the Skinner “It’s the children who are wrong” meme. Mark my words. So long as you contribute to the chaos, the chaos will grow. I’m unsubbing from this toxic “news” community. It’s nothing more than an echo chamber and supermarket tabloid.
