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Seriously?
I’m trying so goddamn hard not to lose all hope
Stay with us comrade. We need you for the revolution.
What revolution lmao? As soon as things get a little bit spicy all the equality hobbiest say it’s going too far
Headline: “5 years ago renters needed to make less than $60,000 a year to afford the typical rent; now they need to make almost $80,000”
5 years ago renters needed to make less than $60k, they made $69k. Now they need to make “almost $80k”, they make $77k. When you put numbers to it, it seems less stark.
Median household income in 2024 is $77,400.
Median household income in 2019 was $68,700.
That’s still pretty stark, but I get the point.
We need Rent Control at a federal level.
No what we need is more housing. It’s a supply issue. We’re short something like 2 million homes. The problem isn’t that we need to the government to come in and control the prices, we need the government to come in and make it so people can’t block higher density residential zones.
Do you know how many homes sit empty? There’s a lot.
Heaven forbid we build Chinese style apartment buildings, though
I just want mixed zone complexes like in Europe. Shops on bottom, apartments on top. I don’t think it’s too much to ask.
Bro its bad enough they got these shitty wood “luxury” apartment buildings that have like half inch thick walls, no one wants that shit on a massive scale. I’m all for more housing but fuck shared living spaces.
Median individual income is $47,684 in 2019
https://www.bls.gov/cps/aa2019/cpsaat39.htm
Median individual income is $58,084 in 2023 a little hard to find
https://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat39.htm
Median individual income extrapolated from first quarter data of 2024 is $59,228
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/wkyeng.pdf
Rent units median in January 2024 is>
Overall $1,712
Studio $1,434
1-bed $1,591
2-bed $1,892
https://www.realtor.com/research/january-2024-rent/
2019 Total:$1,097
No bedroom:$934
1 bedroom: $953
2 bedrooms: $1,086
3 bedrooms: $1,217
4 bedrooms: $1,519
5 or more bedrooms $1,586
https://data.census.gov/table?q=B25031: Median Gross Rent by Bedrooms&y=2019
I mean… I’m up in Canada but in one of the highest cost of living cities in the country which isn’t as bad as San Francisco or NYC but it’s bad…
20k is 1666 a month extra.
The only thing thats gone up $1666 a month more would be a larger house.
Fancy 1 bedrooms are up to 2000-2500 and they were never $334 to 734 even 15 years ago.
Something is wrong with that headline or their math
It could be including how much food has gone up as well
if the rent is, for instance, 40% of income then the additional income is also to offset the 60% nonrental income.
eg if you pay 400 in rent and now its 700 your overall income needs to go from 1000 to 1750 to maintain the same level of affordability.
Rent as a percentage of income. General rule (and what I’m assuming the article is using without getting around the paywall) is 1/3 of your income should be rent. So if the avg rent in 2019 was $1666 and it’s now $2000 you should be making $80k/year instead of $60K.
I’m old enough to have learned that housing should be 1/4 of your take home pay
That’s the general rule of thumb that I learned as well… try to stay within 1/4th of salary for mortgage/rent.
Ah, assuming that’s what’s behind the paywall that makes much more sense.
Just a small distinction. Not more than 1/3 of your income should be rent. Also this figure is based on the net income, not pre-tax
it’s relative to where you live, yes.
but generally rents and housing costs have doubled the past 5 years. and doubled the ten years ebfore that, so are about triple where they were in 2009. A 2 bed in my city was 1200-1500, now it’s 3000-4000 and often 3-4 people are living there to make rent. a lot of two beds were converted to 3-4 beds (remove living and dining room).
Article behind a paywall
Okay… now they need $20,100 dollars more per year.
Cut the journalists some slack; ChatGPT 4.0 subscriptions can get expensive.
I guess I’m a shit landlord, because I’m still charging the same as 5 years ago.
…Got any openings? 😭
This is a risky site to admit you’re a landlord on xD
Are you my landlord?
a stable tenant is worth more than a few rent increases.
It’s a good thing Republicans are NOT trying to make Homelessness ILLEGAL and punishable by PRISON!
Don’t you realize? We need more legal slaves.
And then bill you for your stay on release
peasants should just eat less avocado toast, amirite?
If you eat the pit too, you save money!
*taps temple*
That 7 for a dollar is definitely the problem
7 what for a dollar?
Avocados they are usually 7 for a dollar
Did you mean to say $7 for a ONE?
Well the price changes sometimes its 10 avocados for a dollar or somethings it’s 5 avocados for a dollar
I have an old picture of one of the local stands
Wait here’s a more recent one but back when it was raining a lot so probably won’t be 15 for a dollar anymore
Touche! Oh to live in Socal during avocado season…
Haha this is south bay area
This seems dubious, considering average rent in the US is $18k
No worries, we all got bigass raises, right?
I did.
My income has gone up 50% since the pandemic. So did most of my friends who were working in any technical fields.
The economy is skewed. I keep telling my friends to learn to code or learn basic IT skills… and they just actively refuse and continue doing manual labor jobs and complaining about how they can’t make more money. And such is there lot.
A few peopel I know moved into healthcare, and are doing financially much better, but their jobs are very high stress due to the shortages.
It sounds like you’re describing the same thing that happened when we globalized manufacturing. Economists said everyone would retrain and go to other fields, but it just doesn’t seem to happen IRL.
people hate change. that’s why.
even then you’re fucked. I’ve been on “the bench” at my contracting company since christmas, which led to my wages getting halved. every fucking day I read about layoffs in software development flooding the market with better programmers than me.
learn to code
Didn’t we already try this one?
The more people get into it the less valuable it becomes is the thing. But others pointed out there’s a ton of other reasons it’s problematic, like the need for those other jobs to exist to actually, like, have a functioning society.
That is a misnomer solution telling everyone to learn how to do the same thing like to learn to code as it then creates its own market issue of too much supply for need.
Additionally it’s not diverse. Diverse jobs are still needed. They need to just pay more in those jobs. But all this is besides the point anyways.
There is no house shortage. There is plenty to house people and the issue is with capitalism being unchecked for too long over its control on living arrangements. This is something capitalism shouldn’t have a say in. Society has become beyond its required need for helping people survive as a whole and it’s become unsustainable. It was never supposed to be about sustaining a rich person’s yacht and 5th house that has nobody living in it anyways. This is not a society that is thriving.
Exactly, banning or severely limiting short-term rental housing ie VRBO and foreign land/property purchases Id wager would make a huge impact on righting the boat.
Not really, then local landlords just make more profit because the demand is the same
Without the supply of homes going into shortterm rentals like VRBO it would increase supply for people who actually live in that city, travelers can use hotels. Not a full stop fix, but it would increase supply/lower rent.
That would increase hotel prices, making hotel owners purchase more land and build hotels until the equilibrium price is reached
It’s a short term fix that eventually loses to market forces
Even if it ends in more hotels, hotels fit more people and supply more jobs than the equivalent space in houses. For temporary lodging houses don’t make sense.
Your solution does not apply to the whole society, it’s just a patch to make your life easier but globally it doesn’t fix anything. This is part of the american mindset: “fuck everyone else while I’m doing great”… don’t get me wrong, I understand your point of view but this is not how we move forward.
Bro if everyone moves to the jobs that pay enough to live decently, very important jobs will not get done. Our society needs manual laborers to keep everything from falling apart.
I make 120k a year installing carpets lol. I absolutely bust my ass but I make more than many people I know who went to college. My dad also installed carpets for 48 years before retiring at 71. I plan to retire sooner though lol but will work for many years to come and pump.up that IRA
Holy wow, where are you located if you don’t mind me asking? My dad lays carpet and makes like 35k a year.
Does your dad work for himself or someone else? If he works for himself I don’t know how he’s only making 35k lol. I live in Western New York though (no where near NYC)
How the fuck did his knees last that long. Are they original equipment?
We don’t use kickers much any more we use power stretchers so the wear on the knees is not that bad. Our backs hands and shoulders hurt more than our knees.
Also, the jobs that pay decently will start to not pay decently. And now we’re back at square one
Actually worse than square one, because in this scenario, nobody’s picking up the trash.
Strange argument. Yes people can swap but that might make them unhappy and we also need people to do other work than it and healthcare and they should still be able to afford a house
This looks like it means rent increased smoothly by $300 a month each year, bad enough, but what happened here was that it doubled in one year for many people. Went up by thousands, all at once.
I can tell you that an average 2-bedroom apartment was about 600USD when I moved to the city I currenlty live in. Today the cheapest apartment in town is 1300USA/month and getting higher. If I hadn’t been lucky enough to buy a house when I did, I couldn’t afford to live anymore.
I could afford it but I’d have a 2 bedroom apartment instead of 5 bed, 3.5bath w/ 2 offices. We absolutely bought at the right times (2x).
And now we’re blessed in that we get to die in our starter homes, which is absolutely a privilege these days.
The average rent increase was my entire yearly take-home.
