Ford says its system could make law enforcement's job easier.

"Ain’t no snitches riding with us

Ol mo the mouth n***as could holler the front" - Lil’ Wayne

  • TurboWafflz@lemmy.world
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    2 年前

    Ooh yes good patent it so other manufacturers won’t do it. It’s a win-win since I already wouldn’t want a ford

    • Chozo@fedia.io
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      2 年前

      Ooh yes good patent it so other manufacturers won’t do it.

      Patents don’t necessarily stop other OEMs from using it. It just means they’ll have to pay Ford a fee to license it, themselves.

      • deweydecibel@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 年前

        Let’s be real, close to a majority of Americans have no issue with their iPhone being used as part of a mesh tracking network, even if it helps abusers with airtags.

        All they have to do is sell this to people as benefiting them, and they will gobble it up. Hell, chances are, insurance companies will start offering reduced rates if you drive one (and then they buy the data from Ford and increase rates with it).

        • dblsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de
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          2 年前

          The massive difference between AirTags and this is that AirTags (and the whole Find My network, it’s not only AirTags after all) actually provide a useful service to each participant, namely locating their things if they get lost somewhere. This does effectively nothing for you and will only ever fuck over other people (you could argue rightfully so, but still) and provides no value to anyone other than the police.

          • Mirshe@lemmy.world
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            2 年前

            One wonders whether instance companies will incentivize these vehicles with lower rates.

            • nilloc@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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              2 年前

              For whatever the insurance companies deem a low rate driver, sure. But you can be sure that many drivers will be paying more once their insurance company sees how much time they stare at a TikTok videos what “driving”.

              Actually. I do wish that phones would fucking tattle on people who can’t be bothered to watch where they’re going while operating 2 ton Hausfraupanzers.

        • BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee
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          2 年前

          Instead of paying 2000 dollars a month for your shitty lifted ford ranger you pay 1500 a month for your shitty lifted ford ranger, but the car will… SHUT THE FUCK UP, WHERE DO I SIGN?

          • SuiXi3D@fedia.io
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            2 年前

            They all have telematics in their trucks, and I know they all use the data in the case of accidents to prove fault. Amazon specifically monitors speed and will fire drivers if they do it too much. Wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if they started sharing that info.

            • fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.comEnglish
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              2 年前

              Oh yea, on the same page, it’s just that FedEx specifically have been proven to hold contracts with law enforcement, while the others have not.

      • pyrflie@lemm.ee
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        2 年前

        2016+ is a no buy for me. I don’t look at new cars to begin with and anything 2016 or newer gets the axe as well. They are permanent Tracking.

        • vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
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          2 年前

          I feel like you atleast have some wiggle room with electric cars, I cant imagine that it would be too hard to just rip out and replace most of the bs parts. Mostly cause you dont have a massive engine block to deal with, just wires.

          • pyrflie@lemm.ee
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            2 年前

            With electric cars the Firmware does a lot more work than you think. You can’t just rip fuses like the old days. For a lot of the newer vehicles changes mean tracking or coding changes vs vehicle doesn’t start.

                • vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
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                  2 年前

                  No but it also shouldnt be complex enough to need it, all the computer needs to do is control the motors and the shifter nothing else. I dont need cruise control, I dont need lane assist, I dont even need powered windows ya know what fuck the doors altogether. Everything else IE lights, air, radio can be controlled through a rather simple tertiary power system.

    • billwashere@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 年前

      This was my thought as well. Just because they patent it, doesn’t mean they’ll use it. And it could keep other manufacturers from implementing similar systems.

      From a product standpoint, I just don’t understand the reasoning here. Nobody wants this. It’s not a selling point. There is no way to make money off of this without the government getting involved. Just why?

    • pyrflie@lemm.ee
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      2 年前

      15 years max for patents like this. Filling is intent to use and/or charge/profit.

    • pythonoob@programming.dev
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      2 年前

      Tbh, if all the ticketing was done automatically, then there would be less of a reason for cops, especially traffic cops. This decreasing their numbers. This could be a silver lining.

      • fukurthumz420@lemmy.world
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        2 年前

        or, hear me out… we could just have cars that don’t snitch on us and cops that work under strict scrutiny (or no cops at all if we took care of ourselves as a society)

  • Gestrid@lemmy.caEnglish
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    2 年前

    I’m curious if this would actually hold up in court as evidence that a person was speeding.

    • SSTF@lemmy.world
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      2 年前

      On its own to convict? Probably no. If the technology is hypothetically successful introduced and it pings to police, all they’d need to do is follow a route to the self-snitching vehicle and hit it with some of their own radar or lidar, then pull over the driver.

      • Gestrid@lemmy.caEnglish
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        2 年前

        The vehicle doesn’t self-snitch. It snitches on other vehicles around it. It apparently uses cameras to do it. It’d only be able to tell cops where the vehicle was when the picture was taken, not where it is.

          • Gestrid@lemmy.caEnglish
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            2 年前

            I admittedly only knew it wasn’t self-snitching because I read another comment from someone that had actually read the article.

            I did check to confirm before I actually commented myself, though.

        • SSTF@lemmy.world
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          2 年前

          That’s even less functional, and is to my thinking not even close to enough on its own to hand out tickets, as some people think this will be used for.

          • Gestrid@lemmy.caEnglish
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            2 年前

            This was several years ago, so the law in my state may have changed, but I do remember reading that dashcam footage submitted by a civilian can’t be used by police to issue a ticket after the fact. It can be used as evidence for or against someone if the police do get involved, though.

            To put it another way, the officer has to witness the traffic offense themselves in order to issue a ticket. But dashcam footage could be used as evidence to prove someone either was or was not speeding after the ticket was already issued.

            • NιƙƙιDιɱҽʂ@lemmy.world
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              2 年前

              The Confrontation Clause of the Sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that “in all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right … to be confronted with the witnesses against him.”

              You have the constitution to thank! Same reason red light cameras were deemed unconstitutional in most places.

    • gedaliyah@lemmy.worldM
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      2 年前

      What do you mean by tha-

      Only a single great man, Ford, to their fury still maintains full independence [from the control of Jewish masters]. -(Mein Kampf)

      Oh. Well, shit.

  • Sterile_Technique@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 年前

    Sooo how long before we find a way to jailbreak the thing and essentially have an on-board “give that car a ticket” button to report false speed data on any driver we happen to be pissed off at?

    …yeah I’d 100% abuse the fuck out of that.

    • deweydecibel@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 年前

      Not just a law enforcement thing, either.

      Ford will absolutely, 100%, start selling this data to insurance companies, who will absolutely use it to increase rates.

      • ☂️-@lemmy.mlBanned from community
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        2 年前

        us insurance sounds insane, you are forced do deal with corporations in a scammy as fuck way

        • explodicle@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          2 年前

          How does it work elsewhere? We require doctors get malpractice insurance, and there’s growing support for making the police get liability insurance too.

          • Empricorn@feddit.nlEnglish
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            2 年前

            You do realize insurance companies were recently proven to be purchasing data secretly created from our own vehicles so they could raise rates, right? Not sure it “works” here in the US…

          • boonhet@lemm.ee
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            2 年前

            I live in Estonia.

            For one, car insurance depends on your basic demographics (car registration location, owner’s years of driving/insuring experience), the car’s power rating and make/model - and finally, accident history. For any type of insurance that covers your own vehicle as well, it also takes into account the age and value of the vehicle (for the mandatory liability insurance, that’s irrelevant).

            For medical insurance, your prior medical history doesn’t matter, there are no premiums. Your options are (simplified, there are some others too):

            1. Work and have social tax paid for you by the employer (they don’t get to weasel out of this with a regular work contract)

            2. Be an entrepreneur and pay yourself at least the minimum monthly salary with social tax, the rest you can take out as dividends or invest into growing the company

            3. Be a student, including university

            4. Be underage (this also gives you dental! I do wish everyone got dental)

            5. Be registered as unemployed and at least act like you’re trying to find a job

            6. Have some sort of permanent disability that’s severely impacting your ability to work

            7. Have a child under 3 years old

            8. If nothing else applies to you, you can pay a certain sum which was either monthly or quarterly, to have the same health insurance (this is mostly for those entrepreneurs who don’t want to pay themselves even a minimum salary because they’re already loaded and would rather avoid paying payroll taxes on themselves and only pay income tax if/when taking out dividends). I suppose you could also do it if your income is entirely illegal and therefore untaxed.

            If you hit any of these, you pay €5 per doctor’s appointment, with some exceptions. Private care is more expensive. If you don’t in any way qualify for the national medical insurance, you’ll have to pay for your procedures and stuff, but the prices are reasonable usually.

            As for liability insurance for medical malpractice and the police - I’m not 100% sure, but I do believe that victims get compensated by either the hospital, or the government in the case of the police. In any case, it’s very rare for anything like this to happen luckily.

            I do believe life insurance that pays out if you die prematurely or get a major injury or disease, will still depend on your medical history - or at least whether you smoke and drink alcohol.

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    2 年前
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  • 🇨🇦 tunetardis@lemmy.caEnglish
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    2 年前

    Interesting. The article suggests the car would photograph others speeding rather than reporting itself.

    Personally, I don’t mind speeders so much except when they’re weaving between traffic recklessly. I do really hate tailgaters though. So a rear-facing camera maybe?

      • BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee
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        2 年前

        I hate speeders, i almost got shot off the road yesterday by a guy going at least 120kmh in an 80kmh zone. But trusting someone like let’s say ford to take care of that… Oh nonono

        • PythagreousTitties@lemm.eeEnglish
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          2 年前

          I hear you. But I can’t agree to what’s basically spying on everyone just for that. You know it would escalate into more mundane things once it’s there.

          Exactly

    • WarlordSdocy@lemmy.world
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      2 年前

      This only reports other drivers around the Ford speeding so what would happen is they would still do that and you would get in trouble for going 10 over.

  • BigDaddySlim@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 年前

    You won’t buy a Ford because it’ll rat you out to the cops

    I won’t buy a Ford because they’re dog shit vehicles

    We are not the same

    • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
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      2 年前

      I rented a Ford focus once and it really was a dog shit vehicle. Every other vehicle could easily interface with my iPod but this piece of shit would need to scan the iPod for 5-10 minutes (making the head unit completely unusable in the meantime) at which point it would start playing some random song from the iPod that it bizarrely determined was first. That was the most obvious shitty design flaw, but literally every thing about the car was piss poor. If I hadn’t been against Ford already because they knowingly killed people with those defective Firestones, I would’ve completely turned against them from that one rental experience. Fuck Ford.

    • Ænima@lemm.ee
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      2 年前

      Yup! Wanna change your battery?

      “FUCK YOU, GO TO AND PAY A DEALER CAUSE WE BURIED THAT SHIT INSIDE THE FUCKING ENGINE COMPARTMENT!” -Ford

      I can’t believe no one has sued them for this anti-consumer bullshit. I don’t know anything about cars, but even I have been able to change the battery in every vehicle I have ever owned.

    • systemglitch@lemmy.worldBanned from community
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      2 年前

      With how rarely Toyota’s break down, I hesitate to consider any other car company. Ford is near bottom of the barrel.