• Em Adespoton@lemmy.ca
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    3 days ago

    These guys were career CBP, NOT new hires. That means ALL CBP is trained and held accountable to the same level as them, and has been for over a decade.

    • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
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      I do think it’s super important to point this out. This wasn’t a greenhorn or a training failure. This was done by people who have been in there for a long time. This speaks to the caliber and type of person ICE and CBP have been hiring for years.

    • Red_October@piefed.world
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      It’s probably not a training issue, it really is a culture and accountability matter. Certainly the training isn’t going to give any real effort to trivialities like “Constitutional rights” and “Due Process,” but that’s not the root of the problem. They’re not blatantly violating constitutional rights because they don’t know any better. They’re doing it because they don’t care and they KNOW , rightly or wrongly, that the worst any of them will face for it is a slap on the wrist and a veil from the public eye. They know that in all probability their superiors will be mad about the OPTICS of murdering someone in the street, they’ll be mad that they got CAUGHT executing someone in cold blood, not that it happened in the first place.

      This culture of iron fisted brutality is exactly the sort of thing anyone who could be described as “Career CBP,” especially given recent events, would embrace as a loosening of restraint rather than the abject amoral, unconstitutional abuse that it is.

      • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
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        They’re doing it because they don’t care and they KNOW , rightly or wrongly, that the worst any of them will face for it is a slap on the wrist and a veil from the public eye.

        And why wouldn’t they think that? That’s because our cowardly elected officials, mostly Democrats, have been too cowardly and weak to do what every decent, moral American was demanding, and punish MAGA for their sedition and treason, and all their other crimes.

        When we take this nation back (and we WILL take it back), it will be imperative to harshly punish every single one of them, for every single crime they committed. We can’t shy away from long sentences, or even death penalties, where they’ve been earned.

        That’s only the first step that our government will be absolutely required to do to fully redeem itself in the eyes of our Citizens, our Nation, the World, and History, and discourage future Traitors from trying it again.

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      3 days ago

      I’ve seen enough bad cop videos of situations escalating out of control for this not to be a surprise. Our military is trained better at de-escalation tactics than our domestic forces.

    • dan1101@lemmy.world
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      This along with things like border patrol operations covering 100 miles inland from every border needed to be fixed years ago IMO.

    • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
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      When you WANT to kill a few people, and send a message and intimidate your enemy, you give the orders to veteran professionals, not some still damp noob, who might freeze up or shoot himself. You want it to be someone you can count on.

      Stephen “PeeWee Himmler” Miller thought that a little of the old untra-violence would scare citizens into their houses, but unfortunately for him, Americans don’t intimidate easily. He views everything from a Nazi perspective, but we aren’t 1930s Germans, still recovering from a WW1 shellacking. Americans are raised on fables of revolution and thrashing the most powerful military in human history.

      You kill ours, we don’t back down, we get even. We’re coming for you, PeeWee Himmler.