more like parents actually parenting rather than plugging their kids in and leaving them to their own devices out of laziness. allowing the state to parent them (and all of us adults,it seems) instead.
kids should honestly have no more than a dumb phone and limited access to a family computer which should only be used for school work.and light browsing monitored at the parents discretion. until they are old enough to make mature, informed decisions themselves. but the parents should have the right to choose how they engage with technology.
brain development and mandatory critical thinking skills need to be instilled before having unfilitred access to the most addicting misinformation technology on the planet. thats my personal preference, but i am not everyone. and one size does not fit all in this case.
Children cannot buy a connection, so if they bought a modem/router, they couldnt do anything with it.
This is the exact point, its a parental failure if they give their children access to the internet without supervision. Maybe it’s also a fault of the educational and social systems, for not better preparing our parents to be in this world.
I would rather authenticate with my digital ID than make stupid videos or send photos of my ID. Your video and ID share way more data about you than digital ID.
none of that is necessary, a digital fingerprint is more than enough to discern the age of any user. digital id, biometrics, and id verification for any social media platform is completely unecessary. its just another tool for the surveillance state to blackmail users into self editing and pre compliance.
What do you think happens when you use digital ID? You know you don’t actually send your ID over to the social media platform? You just send your public cert with minimal information. What’s the difference between this and ‘digital fingerprint’?
a digital ID is your identity turned into data. stored in databases, apps, or wallets, often tied to biometrics.
It can be checked remotely, instantly, and at scale.
verification can happen without you actively presenting it, depending on the system.
It’s usually linked across systems, government, banks, employers, healthcare, platforms. etc.
Tracking is trivial. Every check leaves a timestamp, location, metadata.
there is also the the risk of breaches, misuse, surveillance creep, account lockouts. to say the least.
the difference is you choose when to present a physical ID, a digital ID removes that choice. and exposes you to a far wider variety of issues.
a digital fingerprint is user data that is provided through the usage of a device or connection, its whatever information you “choose” that becomes available for others to look into on the other side. with no required definite identification. however its easy for algorithms to pick up the age of the user based on the data provided by their daily usage.so digital identification for social media is in fact a pointless persuit unless you want to control the “nodes” with more precision.
at the end of the day, a parent should parent their children, not the state. parents need be less lazy and more present in their childrens lives, especially because of the issues caused by things like social media. forcing everyone to give up their online anonimity so that big brother knows specifically that you like weird porn and express anti big brother views, just allows them to preemptively stifle you from competing or participating in society depending on whos in office at the time. or they leak your information, and someone uses your ID for god knows what else.
digital ID is quite literally the last nail in the coffin for personal freedom and autonomy on the internet, say goodbye to whistle blowers, and virtually any form of online resistance to fascism and authoritarianism.
just ask yourself how much privacy you may like to enjoy in the future, and whether or not you want a government AI or corporate AI combing your data, or your childrens data through their verified digital ID, and deciding whether or not you are allowed to participate in certain functions of society, and what impact you or they are allowed to have. based on the preferences of 1% of the population.
what is legal to say today, or yesterday, may not be legal tomorrow. and the punishments for crimes today, and of yesterday, may not be “fit” for the “crimes” of tomorrow.
basically meaning, digital ID is a fascists/authoritarians/corporations/elites, wet dream. and should be avoided at all costs.
Was this nonsense generated by AI? People in Spain already have digital IDs. It’s a personal certificated signed by the Governments CA. I import into Firefox and when I visit government website the browser asks me if I want to send my cert and which. That’s it. It has been working like this for decades. It’s crazy how confused people are about basic things.
writes a long winded summary that is inherently anti AI. answering all the questions and potentials of what comes with more acceptance of digital ID around the world, and leaving room for the reader to fill the gaps, assuming they are intelligent enough to do so
“Was this nonsense generated by AI?”
lol, fuck me for having okayish grammar i guess?
“People in Spain already have digital IDs. It’s a personal certificated signed by the Governments CA. I import into Firefox and when I visit government website the browser asks me if I want to send my cert and which. That’s it. It has been working like this for decades. It’s crazy how confused people are about basic things.”
yes thats one use case of one version of one countries digital ID system. congratulations on understanding how to use it. proud of you.
however. another example.
vietnam just forced their citizens to sign up for digital ID and froze their bank accounts until they did so.
“Vietnam has rolled out a national digital identity system around the VNeID platform, issuing over 62 million citizen accounts by 2025 and expanding mandatory electronic identification to companies and foreign residents as policy milestones stack up toward full coverage by 2026. The program now combines biometric authentication, bank integrations, corporate e‑ID mandates, and sectoral digitalization (notably tax) while facing persistent interoperability and data‑sharing challenges that the government acknowledges and is seeking to addres”
you can go quietly into that good night if you want to, friend. But personally, im not so naive to think that its all for the greater good.
if you cant imagine one reason why its not a good idea, then honestly i think you might be some kind of shill. whether you know it or not.
I wasn’t commenting on your grammar but on lack of sense in what you wrote.
I’ve seen this silly argument before. People keep equating digital ID with oppression because in some cases the system was abused. They read somewhere that digital IDs are bad and are unable to understand what they really are how they can function.
Here’s facts: many countries with fairly healthy democratic systems have been using digital IDs for years if not decades with 0 issues. Spain, Poland, Estonia… It’s just another ID. It’s not required anywhere, it’s not mandatory.
Other countries, like UK, require identification online without digital IDs. China was blocking, censoring and monitoring internet traffic without digital IDs. It’s almost as if those two things are unrelated.
You know what else the governments use to track citizens? Banking systems! OMG! We should get rid of credit cards and wire transfer. If we let people use those government will surely force everyone to use them and good night freedom!
Or maybe it’s just another tool that function without issues as long as citizens control their government? Maybe the issue are broken political system, not digitization?
I wasn’t commenting on your grammar but on lack of sense in what you wrote.
ironic.
I’ve seen this silly argument before. People keep equating digital ID with oppression because in some cases the system was abused. They read somewhere that digital IDs are bad and are unable to understand what they really are how they can function.
its almost like there are people who know more about modern oppression than you do? not all of use want to pretend that the old neoliberal world order is still running as it should, fascism, authoritarianism, and techno feudalism are all on the rise. there are literal concentration camps in the US, who is also pouring hundreds of billions, if not trillions of dollars into AI weapons and surveillance tech, and they arent the only governments doing so, ignoring that makes you sound like the most frustrating characters in the critically acclaimed major motion picture “dont look up”
Here’s facts: many countries with fairly healthy democratic systems have been using digital IDs for years if not decades with 0 issues. Spain, Poland, Estonia… It’s just another ID. It’s not required anywhere, it’s not mandatory.
do you really not understand what kind of digital ID we are talking about? and the risks that come with it? ive told you several times. and you keep misunderstanding it, or ignoring it, seemingly on purpose? im about to just tell you to “google it” at this point, because this feels almost spitefully ignorant of my points. presuming you actually read and comprehended them.
Other countries, like UK, require identification online without digital IDs.
Photo ID (passport or driver’s licence) with a matching selfie.
-Facial age estimation via AI (supposedly without permanently storing the image)
-Credit-card confirmation
Confirmation using online banking
this is a form of digital identification. so it would be considered digital ID by your own definition, as well as mine. because digital ID at the end of the day is just something that proves you are you to whoever wants to see the data you create or interact with. but having a one size fits all digital ID that connects all of your official information under one roof is like putting all your eggs in one basket and leaving it out for several billion foxes (bots/hackers) to eat (scrape/steal/sell/abuse) which again, is becoming a more popular form of potential iterations of mandatory digital ID presented by some government officials as new policies in both the east and west hemispheres.
You know what else the governments use to track citizens? Banking systems! OMG! We should get rid of credit cards and wire transfer. If we let people use those government will surely force everyone to use them and good night freedom!
NOW WE’RE TALKIN THE TALK, BROTHER, NOW WE ARE GETTING TO THE ROOT OF IT ALL. PRAISE BE! HE FINALLY SPEAKS A LICK OF SENSE! happy to see your time on lemmy is wearing away at your ideals about the bullshit farce that is the banking system, and money in general. PROUD. OF. YOU.
yes, we should absolutely dismantle the modern banking system. as it is quite literally responsible for virtually all human suffering in modern times. and is perpetuating the eventual economic and ecological collapse that will kill millions, billions, and then virtually all of humanity. save a few immortal billionaires and maybe a trillionaire or two? and their harems of genetically modified forever children that they can rape and rape and rape, and eat, and rape, and torture, and kill, and clone, and rape and rape, until the end of time! maybe they might go to space and rape alien children and eat their dismembered limbs too? who knows! we’ll all be dead so it wont matter :D
and thats the happy ending for humanity if we dont dismantle the banking system. or the system in general.
good on you for seeing through the facade.
im not being sarcastic. i do 100% agree that we should destroy the modern banking system. and replace it with something backed by something real, and tangible. equitably distributed to all humans. or maybe just forget about any form of currency all together? but thats the utopian dreamer in me. all i know is, this shit isnt working for the average person.
Or maybe it’s just another tool that functions without issues as long as citizens control their government?
see, we arent so different, you and i. i agree whole heartedly. we the people should always control our governments. but it becomes difficult when they track everything we do with a greater variety of tools and resources day after day. and their enforcers get access to whatever information they need to uphold their laws. moral. or not.
Maybe the issue are broken political system, not digitization?
THATS ANOTHER BINGO. CORRECT. CORRECT.
technology is only dangerous in the hands of people who would use it to do harm. a rock is a rock until someone hits you over the head with it. a digital ID is just your name, age, date of birth, location, biometrics, connected to your banking information, and any and all online services and profiles that require it, and the data transferred between the user and those various services, time stamped, forever. thats it, thats all, until a leak happens, your identity gets stolen, you get blackmailed, tracked by bad actors, profiled by palantir as a resistance member or domestic terrorist because of a meme you posted three years ago, seemingly anonymously. but bow your ID is linked to your device, and that device was responsible for posting it… so…whoops. its not like they arent already doing this to people in the united states? its not like ICE and the US government is going after activists who post anti trump rhetoric online already, are they? ( they are, one of my favourite activists just got a notice that he and his group are under investigation)
there are infinite ways for data to be used, and abused, depending on who is in power, politically, or financially. does it all require official, government mandated digital ID? no. but does it make their job easier? sure does.
can we trust modern politicians, governments, and corporations with our data?
as a person who self hosts everything they possibly can, with a vpn, and an ecrypted arch linux desktop, who has spent an ungodly amount of time hyper fixating on issues like the one we are discussing, to say the very least. and whos read at least a few books on cyber security, fascism, authoritarianism, and recently, a small portion of the epstein files…
i think its better to be safe, than sorry.
ill avoid it, you dont have to. it is your choice. but id suggest making sure you know who holds the leash before you put on a new collar.
if it comes to your country, or already is in some minor form. just keep yourself updated on exactly what it entails and how it can be used or abused. and act accordingly. your mind is the last earthbound frontier to be fully commodified, and in order for them to do that, they need your attention, obediance, and information. every scrap of it. even if it kills you in the process. data is data.
thats all i got for you man, no hate. this was cathartic for me. thank you for the opportunity to write this all out. if you want to continue, i dont mind, but itll be sometime tomorrow before id respond.
just as long as they dont require digital ID from everyone.
Ignoring digital ID being used as state snooping and control for a moment.
It’s crazy age verification would ever need to exist online. Children cannot buy an internet connection.
Age verification on wifi, got it.
more like parents actually parenting rather than plugging their kids in and leaving them to their own devices out of laziness. allowing the state to parent them (and all of us adults,it seems) instead.
kids should honestly have no more than a dumb phone and limited access to a family computer which should only be used for school work.and light browsing monitored at the parents discretion. until they are old enough to make mature, informed decisions themselves. but the parents should have the right to choose how they engage with technology.
brain development and mandatory critical thinking skills need to be instilled before having unfilitred access to the most addicting misinformation technology on the planet. thats my personal preference, but i am not everyone. and one size does not fit all in this case.
I 100% agree with everything you said.
The sad reality is that is extremely difficult, and in most cases imposible to restrict kids phone and social media usage.
Is the equivalent of not having the X cool toy, clothing or shoes of the moment but exponentially critical for not being a pariah.
The only way to revert this situation would be a majority or parents agreeing to restrict their kids at the same time.
This doesn’t happen because parents are distracted and consumed by, you guessed it, phones and social media.
Its like the serpent that eats its tail, a self fulfilling never ending enshitification of the human condition.
Children cannot buy a connection, so if they bought a modem/router, they couldnt do anything with it.
This is the exact point, its a parental failure if they give their children access to the internet without supervision. Maybe it’s also a fault of the educational and social systems, for not better preparing our parents to be in this world.
No because the internet is just in the air
I would rather authenticate with my digital ID than make stupid videos or send photos of my ID. Your video and ID share way more data about you than digital ID.
none of that is necessary, a digital fingerprint is more than enough to discern the age of any user. digital id, biometrics, and id verification for any social media platform is completely unecessary. its just another tool for the surveillance state to blackmail users into self editing and pre compliance.
What do you think happens when you use digital ID? You know you don’t actually send your ID over to the social media platform? You just send your public cert with minimal information. What’s the difference between this and ‘digital fingerprint’?
a digital ID is your identity turned into data. stored in databases, apps, or wallets, often tied to biometrics. It can be checked remotely, instantly, and at scale. verification can happen without you actively presenting it, depending on the system. It’s usually linked across systems, government, banks, employers, healthcare, platforms. etc. Tracking is trivial. Every check leaves a timestamp, location, metadata. there is also the the risk of breaches, misuse, surveillance creep, account lockouts. to say the least.
the difference is you choose when to present a physical ID, a digital ID removes that choice. and exposes you to a far wider variety of issues.
a digital fingerprint is user data that is provided through the usage of a device or connection, its whatever information you “choose” that becomes available for others to look into on the other side. with no required definite identification. however its easy for algorithms to pick up the age of the user based on the data provided by their daily usage.so digital identification for social media is in fact a pointless persuit unless you want to control the “nodes” with more precision.
at the end of the day, a parent should parent their children, not the state. parents need be less lazy and more present in their childrens lives, especially because of the issues caused by things like social media. forcing everyone to give up their online anonimity so that big brother knows specifically that you like weird porn and express anti big brother views, just allows them to preemptively stifle you from competing or participating in society depending on whos in office at the time. or they leak your information, and someone uses your ID for god knows what else.
digital ID is quite literally the last nail in the coffin for personal freedom and autonomy on the internet, say goodbye to whistle blowers, and virtually any form of online resistance to fascism and authoritarianism.
just ask yourself how much privacy you may like to enjoy in the future, and whether or not you want a government AI or corporate AI combing your data, or your childrens data through their verified digital ID, and deciding whether or not you are allowed to participate in certain functions of society, and what impact you or they are allowed to have. based on the preferences of 1% of the population.
what is legal to say today, or yesterday, may not be legal tomorrow. and the punishments for crimes today, and of yesterday, may not be “fit” for the “crimes” of tomorrow.
basically meaning, digital ID is a fascists/authoritarians/corporations/elites, wet dream. and should be avoided at all costs.
it is very 1984.
Spanish here. Our NID (eDNI) has TWO certs. One to authenticate ourselves and another to sign things.
Was this nonsense generated by AI? People in Spain already have digital IDs. It’s a personal certificated signed by the Governments CA. I import into Firefox and when I visit government website the browser asks me if I want to send my cert and which. That’s it. It has been working like this for decades. It’s crazy how confused people are about basic things.
writes a long winded summary that is inherently anti AI. answering all the questions and potentials of what comes with more acceptance of digital ID around the world, and leaving room for the reader to fill the gaps, assuming they are intelligent enough to do so
lol, fuck me for having okayish grammar i guess?
yes thats one use case of one version of one countries digital ID system. congratulations on understanding how to use it. proud of you.
however. another example.
vietnam just forced their citizens to sign up for digital ID and froze their bank accounts until they did so.
you can go quietly into that good night if you want to, friend. But personally, im not so naive to think that its all for the greater good.
if you cant imagine one reason why its not a good idea, then honestly i think you might be some kind of shill. whether you know it or not.
I wasn’t commenting on your grammar but on lack of sense in what you wrote.
I’ve seen this silly argument before. People keep equating digital ID with oppression because in some cases the system was abused. They read somewhere that digital IDs are bad and are unable to understand what they really are how they can function.
Here’s facts: many countries with fairly healthy democratic systems have been using digital IDs for years if not decades with 0 issues. Spain, Poland, Estonia… It’s just another ID. It’s not required anywhere, it’s not mandatory.
Other countries, like UK, require identification online without digital IDs. China was blocking, censoring and monitoring internet traffic without digital IDs. It’s almost as if those two things are unrelated.
You know what else the governments use to track citizens? Banking systems! OMG! We should get rid of credit cards and wire transfer. If we let people use those government will surely force everyone to use them and good night freedom!
Or maybe it’s just another tool that function without issues as long as citizens control their government? Maybe the issue are broken political system, not digitization?
ironic.
its almost like there are people who know more about modern oppression than you do? not all of use want to pretend that the old neoliberal world order is still running as it should, fascism, authoritarianism, and techno feudalism are all on the rise. there are literal concentration camps in the US, who is also pouring hundreds of billions, if not trillions of dollars into AI weapons and surveillance tech, and they arent the only governments doing so, ignoring that makes you sound like the most frustrating characters in the critically acclaimed major motion picture “dont look up”
do you really not understand what kind of digital ID we are talking about? and the risks that come with it? ive told you several times. and you keep misunderstanding it, or ignoring it, seemingly on purpose? im about to just tell you to “google it” at this point, because this feels almost spitefully ignorant of my points. presuming you actually read and comprehended them.
this is a form of digital identification. so it would be considered digital ID by your own definition, as well as mine. because digital ID at the end of the day is just something that proves you are you to whoever wants to see the data you create or interact with. but having a one size fits all digital ID that connects all of your official information under one roof is like putting all your eggs in one basket and leaving it out for several billion foxes (bots/hackers) to eat (scrape/steal/sell/abuse) which again, is becoming a more popular form of potential iterations of mandatory digital ID presented by some government officials as new policies in both the east and west hemispheres.
NOW WE’RE TALKIN THE TALK, BROTHER, NOW WE ARE GETTING TO THE ROOT OF IT ALL. PRAISE BE! HE FINALLY SPEAKS A LICK OF SENSE! happy to see your time on lemmy is wearing away at your ideals about the bullshit farce that is the banking system, and money in general. PROUD. OF. YOU.
yes, we should absolutely dismantle the modern banking system. as it is quite literally responsible for virtually all human suffering in modern times. and is perpetuating the eventual economic and ecological collapse that will kill millions, billions, and then virtually all of humanity. save a few immortal billionaires and maybe a trillionaire or two? and their harems of genetically modified forever children that they can rape and rape and rape, and eat, and rape, and torture, and kill, and clone, and rape and rape, until the end of time! maybe they might go to space and rape alien children and eat their dismembered limbs too? who knows! we’ll all be dead so it wont matter :D
and thats the happy ending for humanity if we dont dismantle the banking system. or the system in general.
good on you for seeing through the facade.
im not being sarcastic. i do 100% agree that we should destroy the modern banking system. and replace it with something backed by something real, and tangible. equitably distributed to all humans. or maybe just forget about any form of currency all together? but thats the utopian dreamer in me. all i know is, this shit isnt working for the average person.
see, we arent so different, you and i. i agree whole heartedly. we the people should always control our governments. but it becomes difficult when they track everything we do with a greater variety of tools and resources day after day. and their enforcers get access to whatever information they need to uphold their laws. moral. or not.
THATS ANOTHER BINGO. CORRECT. CORRECT.
technology is only dangerous in the hands of people who would use it to do harm. a rock is a rock until someone hits you over the head with it. a digital ID is just your name, age, date of birth, location, biometrics, connected to your banking information, and any and all online services and profiles that require it, and the data transferred between the user and those various services, time stamped, forever. thats it, thats all, until a leak happens, your identity gets stolen, you get blackmailed, tracked by bad actors, profiled by palantir as a resistance member or domestic terrorist because of a meme you posted three years ago, seemingly anonymously. but bow your ID is linked to your device, and that device was responsible for posting it… so…whoops. its not like they arent already doing this to people in the united states? its not like ICE and the US government is going after activists who post anti trump rhetoric online already, are they? ( they are, one of my favourite activists just got a notice that he and his group are under investigation)
there are infinite ways for data to be used, and abused, depending on who is in power, politically, or financially. does it all require official, government mandated digital ID? no. but does it make their job easier? sure does.
can we trust modern politicians, governments, and corporations with our data?
as a person who self hosts everything they possibly can, with a vpn, and an ecrypted arch linux desktop, who has spent an ungodly amount of time hyper fixating on issues like the one we are discussing, to say the very least. and whos read at least a few books on cyber security, fascism, authoritarianism, and recently, a small portion of the epstein files…
i think its better to be safe, than sorry.
ill avoid it, you dont have to. it is your choice. but id suggest making sure you know who holds the leash before you put on a new collar.
if it comes to your country, or already is in some minor form. just keep yourself updated on exactly what it entails and how it can be used or abused. and act accordingly. your mind is the last earthbound frontier to be fully commodified, and in order for them to do that, they need your attention, obediance, and information. every scrap of it. even if it kills you in the process. data is data.
thats all i got for you man, no hate. this was cathartic for me. thank you for the opportunity to write this all out. if you want to continue, i dont mind, but itll be sometime tomorrow before id respond.
have a good one dude. stay safe.