I’m just sick of Reddit.
The communities there seem much more active than the once on lemmy, which is not a surprise.
However, I oftentimes find myself doom scrolling through reddit, just because of some nonsense BS propaganda, ads, etc …, snuck inbetween of the community posts I’m actually interested in.
How can we convince the people over there to move away?
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Lemmy needs to mature on a technical basis. The Lemmy service itself is still lacking significantly. But it it progressing.
Outside of technical limitations, focus on communities. A few good ones are better than many mediocre ones.
What technical limitations do you see? I feel like other than multireddits this place is basically equal to reddit.
Just about anything related to moderation tools.
Dealing with the All feed properly.
Users being able to configure default sorting on posts.
etc.Multi communities.
Hopefully this has been funded, so should happen soon
I think how fragmented lemmy is hurts it. I enjoy Mastodon more, because it doesn’t matter what server a person uses, you have but a single feed of all the people you follow.
But here on lemmy, every server has its own communities and might even be having the same conversations apart from each other. While reddit is a giant single space for each conversation.
If there was a way to unite feeds so that, for example, /c/gaming gave you posts from every community /c/gaming you are subscribed to or federated with (or /m/gaming for us mbin folks). I think we could really see a proper exodus from reddit as it becomes proper alternative.
and of course, the classic lemmy experience would remain for those that don’t want to do that. Much like old.reddit remained strong in the face of the site remake.
PieFed already has that, in “Categories” of communities. If you select gaming, it combines all the posts from all the communities that are related to gaming. I’m not sure how it works, maybe each instance admin has a list somewhere.
Furthermore, an individual user is subscribed to all of those, so that you can easily remove content from certain communities merely by leaving it. Or join more of them.
I think Mbin has something like this too, though at a casual glance without a login I cannot see it.
Lemmy is starting to fall behind these other alternatives, written in more commonly used languages (than Rust) so allowing contributions from more people, which helps them gain features more quickly.
Edit: and to address the issue of forgetting what community someone is viewing, that’s not an issue either: every single post includes the entire community description at the bottom of it, beneath the comments - here’s some examples: a post with few comments to have to scroll past, another example showing a YouTube preview (also offers direct piped.video link), here’s a non-gaming example of a post I made that includes #hashtags at the bottom. In all of those see the categories up at the top, and in the former two on Beehaw, the special note just below the post about how that instance has different moderation practices than usual, with a direct link to what those are, in the admins’ own words.
Overall PieFed lacks some polish compared to Lemmy, especially in replying to comments more deeply embedded in the threaded conversations of larger posts, yet in so many ways it already has surpassed what Lemmy chooses to offer its users, it’s fantastic to look at, and even more exciting to think about where it will head next!:-)
I’d not heard of PieFed, that’s cool that someone implemented my idea already. I’m on Mbin and not seeing anything like this though.
Thank you! I edit it out of my comment (well, put it in strikethrough). I thought perhaps it might be in the microblog area or something but nope, I don’t see it there either. It does combine cross-posts, so perhaps that’s what I was incorrectly recalling.
PieFed is really super-neat! Not entirely polished, but not entirely not either, and something to keep an eye on either way. :-)
Removed by mod
That fragmentation annoyed me too at the beginning, until somenoe tokd me something along the lines.
“It’s like different reddit subs with each hsving their own mods and rules”…
So /c/gaming on instance A, and /c/gaming on instance B, would be like /r/gaming and /r/gamingfornoobs.
That’s a good point. By each being its own server with own own rules and mods, my idea would make it harder on mods of the communities if people are not even aware of where they are posting.
Does your interface not show the instance with the community name?
I meant that as an extension to my original comment asking for all communities with the same name from different instances to show up in a mixed feed.
Lots of edgelords here like “I don’t want the reddit plebs here” as though they weren’t happily one of them a couple years ago.
Let them come over. Put the idea of federation to the test. Isn’t that one of the major features of federation, if there are a bunch of shitty people you can just degenerate or use a different community?
If federation does what it claims then it’ll only be an improvement.I agree with people saying not to force people here if they don’t wanna be (not that we could), but the people saying that folks still on reddit are there because they inherently prefer the reddit application UX is crazy. They prefer the content in reddit. And they have a point.
Folks here are way more insufferable than reddit. Just the other day there was a post being like “why do reddit users hate Lemmy?” And linked a reddit post about it. But the comments on the reddit post were considered, nuanced, and polite; while the comments on the Lemmy post were a bunch of neckbeards crying about how terrible reddit users are.
TLDR y’all need to look in the mirror.
Don’t bother, just make your own communities or magazines and contribute to them regularly.
“If you build it, they will come.”
You can tell people about it if you like (especially if it comes up casually in conversation), but if you try to push it too hard you’ll drive people away.
If the fediverse grows too quickly, it will also introduce more problems existing systems may not be able to handle.
I’m honestly not sure I want the majority of reddit users coming to lemmy. Especially as a woman. There’s just so much more nastiness on reddit. I get that sometimes the content on Lemmy slows down or gets stale, but that seems like a reasonable price to pay to avoid people with chronic interpersonal problems and no healthy emotional outlet. I think every exchange I’ve had on Lemmy has at least been respectful and I can’t recall ever feeling that way on reddit.
That has not always been my experience, although I can see why you on Lemmy.World would say so (bc it defederates from lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.net, where most of the hostility across the Fediverse concentrates), but indeed the average interaction here is much more positive than on Reddit (even though the worst, e.g. if you ever comment in ChapoTrapHouse@hexbear.net, is significantly more negative than Reddit ever was allowed to become by the admins).
I don’t want the masses from Reddit to migrate to Lemmy. I want people currently on Lemmy to post and comment. More engagement is what we need. No one is going to move to Lemmy if they see the top posts are hours old with only 100 upvotes and no comments.
If they didn’t leave Reddit by now, they like the new Reddit experience.
Engage with communities here. The politics and tech communities are lively enough, but niche communities are lacking. Give people a reason to come here who aren’t politics/tech junkies.
We don’t. We just continue to stay here and grow and flourish naturally. I see no need to rush.
Yup, I say it in every thread of this sort I see pop up, you definitionally can’t force organic engagement.
It can be frustrating to go from a thriving niche subreddit to a new venue without anyone to populate those niche communities. Outside of ML, FOSS, and Star Trek, most of the niche communities are ghost towns.
I don’t think anyone is suggesting convincing AskReddit or /r/memes to migrate. I think they’re mostly targeting /r/ObscureInterestYou’veProbablyNeverHeardOf.
Where does the believe even originate from, that Redditors are any different than Lemmings? Basically the same people minus the youngest, because they stick with using Reddit. They might or might not migrate eventually.
Make communities here bigger by contributing and spread the word of Reddit alternative. Make search engines find Lemmy content and then it goes on it’s own. I guess Bluesky will push the Fediverse, but I wonder how long people will stick to a Twitter esque when they could have Lemmy full text conversations and tree structures?
Send interesting Lemmy links to people you know. That’s how they get interested, and check it out. You won’t convince many people by extolling the benefits of the Fediverse, you just have to show them that they’ll be entertained, and maybe they’ll be somewhat more likely to switch if they know it won’t enshittify. I’d say you should send links from instances that don’t federate with some of the weirder places like Hexbear though, that’s likely to turn people off until they realize how the Fediverse works.
One thing that we could use more of that draws people in is posts about relationship issues. Entertaining for almost everyone, and pretty much anyone can create them from their own experience.
There needs to be less one sided group think, but I’m not sure that’s even possible anymore at this point. Just look at the US and how they voted this year. None of those voters want to be on this super woke platform. The population on here are the minority and just need to get used to it.
What does ‘woke’ mean?
Constant in your face awareness of social inequalities would be my charitable definition.
Well if that’s the definition that doesn’t sound so bad. You’re saying that you don’t like being reminded of the truth too often.
The problem with ‘woke’ is that it is too vague to be meaningful.
No, I can’t stand everybody being offended about everything.
I’m fine with people being offended as long as it is something legit to be offended about. Sometimes people are offended by legit things and sometimes not. That’s why “woke” is to vague to be meaningful. I have to hear the specific thing to know whether I agree/disagree.
Asking people to do something will never work, telling people how something is better will trigger their curiosity to at least take a look.
Something I’ve been thinking about is that changes only happen organically, so I think it’s good to not be an insistent advocate for a platform X, Y or Z. Instead, I think that perhaps it’s better, instead, to simply use the platform the person is more favorable towards whenever possible, and if people then share something worth sharing, it should slowly bring people over. And regarding the annoying part, at most, making a note about technicalities and the type of people in the site could be good if discussions the person is engaged in allows, and if the person didn’t burn people’s patience by being pedantic.
Just mention lemmy from time to time on other platforms; not to say “please come here”, but rather just to let people know that lemmy exists and has interesting stuff on it. People will check it out if they are interested.
They allegedly remove posts/comments about lemmy? And even if they don’t, I feel like it could have the opposite effect. People would see those posts just like ads/promotion/spam. Which would give lemmy a bad rep. Unless something big happens, like some big community switching to lemmy, or someone with a big following promotes lemmy, it will hardly see a big spike in user count.
The only way is to passively “advertise” it. Maybe add the link to your lemmy account in your reddits about you section, if you are making OC add your lemmy handle there as well…
And the last way, which is most likely the best way to do it, is to post good content on lemmy, keep communities alive. And people will eventually join.
