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Summary
President Joe Biden pardoned his son Hunter Biden, reversing his prior stance against using executive clemency.
The pardon covers Hunter’s federal gun conviction and tax evasion guilty plea, sparking political controversy.
Biden cited political attacks and a “miscarriage of justice” as reasons for his decision, emphasizing his son’s recovery from addiction and the targeting of his family.
Critics argue the move undermines the judicial process, while supporters view it as within Biden’s constitutional powers.
This decision shields Hunter from potential prison time as Biden nears the end of his presidency.
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Fuck that. Peacefully handing over the country to the oligarchy and this is what he uses his now completely unlimited presidential power for. What a fucking dick.
He could have expanded the court. He could have abolished the electoral college. He could have assassinated Trump. He could have done anything to help anyone but his family but he didn’t. What a fucking dick.
When people tell me not to “both sides” things it’s this type of comment I think of.
He could have assassinated Trump.
Jesus Christ…
Trump’s lawyers successfully argued in front of SCOTUS that a president could have their opposition assassinated, call it an official presidential act, and it would be up for congress to decide whether or not it was legal.
I don’t think he should have assassinated Trump, but they’re right, he could have, and the legal fallout would have kept him free for the few years he has left to live.
Yep, POTUS swears an oath to defend from enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC.
Trump is a domestic enemy. Like Hitler was to Germany.
Not that I think he should have. I’m just saying he had theoretically unlimited power and he chose to protect his family above all else.
Republicans seemed to have successfully done a false equivalency. They lied about witch hunts and then did one, and then when the president swatted it away people reacted with, “Oh, they’re both the same.”
Trump pardons traitors, insurrectionists, Nazis. A witch hunt victim is in the same league, because family I guess. Not like that was the reason for the witch hunt or anything!
ITT: the hypocrisy of liberals on full display. No shame.
Honestly, who cares? Good for him.
Honestly, no one in this eco chamber.
Dude:
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You’re posting from a lemmynsfw account
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Trump is a convicted felon, tried to overthrow the government, and has done plenty of questionable pardons himself and despite all of that is going to be president again
Nobody cares. Not in this “eco chamber” [sic] and likely not in any other one either.
- I love how you immediately attacked ad hominem to derail the conversation.
I love how you think knowing your fallacies still matters.
- Your Trump whataboutism was super innovative. Who else would think to use Trump as a litmus test for good behavior?
Pushes glasses up from the nostril level to his nose bridge
Clears his throat to reveal an urkle voice Errrrm see you were using ad hominem and whataboutism to make your point and therefore it’s inaccurate.
Nobody cares.
You wrote fan fiction just now, that took care.
lemmynsfw is awesome!
Why is Trump even important in this case (or where this comment came from) I’m not from USA and in my country such pardons are rarely used but from my POV it looks like a president is favoring his family and not trusting the system where he was the chief of for 4 years. It is not like there was a specific case where Hunter Biden was targeted. If I understood correctly it is a blanket statement where he is granted immunity.
In most modern countries it is discussed if granting PMs immunity is a good idea and in USA the president can grant his family immunity.
It is not like there was a specific case where Hunter Biden was targeted.
Yes there was.
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Biden could literally dress up like Commando and slaughter the Supreme Court on live tv without “undermining the judicial process.” Can’t undermine something if it doesn’t exist.
Just thinking about this
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It’s just easier if he does it, since SCOTUS already said it was legal.
No need to pardon anybody if he just orders Seal Team 6 in there to do it. It’s an official act.
Here’s for wishing
Sentencing was in 2 days, which is still plenty of time for Biden to have pardoned if the sentence was out of line with normal sentencing guidelines-- aka, a “witchhunt”. Hunter was tried by a group of his peers for tax and gun crimes he clearly committed. I dont see how it could have been a witch hunt, since the congressional inquiry was shut down.
So why did Biden issue pardon before sentencing? One can only assume Hunter was about to get a sentence thats just fine and in line with his conviction. If he was about to get “nailed” in a “witch hunt” as some people said here, it would have been better to wait for the abusive behavior to be apparent before acting. Biden made hte choice not to wait, therefore there is probably no unfairness in Hunters case. We will never 100% know the truth either way, but the witchhunt theory just doesnt line up with the facts we can see with our own eyes.
So, Biden very likely abused his authority to let his son off for crimes that he should be accountable for as a citizen. Biden brought justice in the country down a notch for personal gain. Yet again, the man is not worthy of his office. Neither is Harris or Trump. They are all self centered corrupt opportunists acting for other reasons than the job is supposed to be about.
Evidently if it saves his son for a year in jail, Biden will wipe his rear with his party’s dignity, if not the entire concept of justice in this country.
Lol.
Most of these comments are a great example of how stupid Americans are.
All my life Dems have been held to a higher standard. I’ve watched them take the high road so many times while the Republicans went low. Continued to honor decorum when Republicans refused.
And guess what happened?
Americans told them to go fuck themselves and voted for blatant Republican corruption instead.
And now there’s a bunch of comments in here whining about how Democrats are corrupt for doing this.
Go fuck yourselves. Clowns.
Critics argue the move undermines the judicial process, while supporters view it as within Biden’s constitutional powers.
It’s both. I’m very disappointed by this. I had hoped Biden would maintain integrity on this.
Side note - it’s funny to watch how quickly leftists are descending into maga-like craziness defending this obvious abuse of power.
“Trump did worse” is not a principle.
What ‘leftist’ supports Biden?! The political compass in the US is… Special I guess? There’s no ‘left’ on the mainstream political spectrum in the US as far as I can see. Libs are not leftists by any standard in any country outside of the US. The Dems are to the right of the right coalition in charge of my country right now.
25 comments in and I haven’t seen a single person defend this blatant corruption.
I can’t stand this “not a good look” talk when democrats have to basically be squeaky cleak that they can’t even own a peanut farm or swear and yet 10 years into the “grab them by the pussy” guy who makes fun of disabled people, women, calls everyone names including his own party… Nobody bats an eyelash. I don’t care if Joe Biden lied for his son at this point, Donald pardoned and will continue to pardon dozens of family and staff and insurrectionists. It’s ok for Trump to lie about not knowing project 2025 and then immediately hire everyone involved with it days later… But Biden can’t lie once. Got it.
Trump’s entire stchick is gaming every system to manipulate things in his favour. The Dems always take the higher ground and always get pounded. Every single time - Gore in 2000, particularly.
If Biden ‘pardons’ his son to ameliorate Hunter’s political persecution, then it’s a step in the right direction to push back. Tame as it is, the Dems better learn to fight fire with napalm before all is lost.
A lot of people here missing the point. We don’t care about this because Hunter was the target of a witch hunt. The actual “crimes” weren’t impactful at all. The Republicans literally spent 8 years dragging him through the mud, digging for anything that he could be charged with, just because who his dad is. And Hunter didn’t even touch politics in the slightest.
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The gun charge is the moral equivalent of crucifying someone for having pirated music on their hard drive. It was a nothing crime, never enforced, and the only reason it was in this case was because they happened to find something they could latch onto.
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That’s why most of us don’t really care. The man is not important. He holds no position of power, nor has he expressed any intent to. He is not important, except as a whipping boy for their propaganda. And a pardon for such preposterous prosecution is fine with me.
And that’s just a few from this post.
Holy shit you only had to answer them, not pee on them
Thanks, but I’m not interested in reading a bunch of cherry-picked comments.
I made no claim that none of the posts the OP was whining about existed, only implied that they were exaggerating as I didn’t see a single one while reading every single comment up until I reached OPs.
The term “cherry-picked” isn’t applicable here since it implies I’m leaving out context or other information, but you already had context (the comments doing the opposite of defending), I simply showed you what you claimed to not see.
The term is applicable because unless you provided those comments in the order you viewed comments in this post (which was the claim of my initial comment), you specifically sought out comments with the bias you were looking for, disregarding comments that did not fit the narrative.
Yes I specifically sought out the comments you didn’t see, what’s so hard to understand about that?
I responded with the list of comments you claimed you didn’t see, you already saw the other comments, why would I include them?
Don’t worry, we all see it
Remember to vote blue no matter who next election tho
vote blue no matter who next election tho
The left in the U.S. is a joke who’ll never get their shit together.
A blatant gaslighter.
You are either responding to the wrong person or don’t know what that word means.
You’re still doing it btw.
Good for you
it’s funny to watch how quickly leftists are descending into maga-like craziness
Well, we just saw lawless, violent MAGA gain total control of our federal government by lying and cheating.
So that’s the standard now. Americans voted to prove so. We’re just adapting to our environment.
I hope we lie, cheat, and steal to the max in the next election (if there is one), so we can gain total control using the same tactics. Because those are the tactics that work in America.
Your dictator will be so much better than their dictator eh?
What ridiculous ridiculous bs.
Nah. I just want the party that has a history of voting in favor of working class Americans and being better for our economy to do what they need to do to get elected in America. Which is lie, cheat, and steal.
“Trump did worse” is not a principle.
Thank you! It’s been so aggravating, it’s like they are unable to defend Biden’s awful policies without saying Trump’s name.
I have empathy for his decision, but it was a bad one.
I had hoped Biden would maintain integrity on this.
Lol. Integrity is out. Americans just voted so.
Democrats are pissed because all we had left after this election was our integrity. Biden can do what he wants honestly - he doesn’t owe us anything - but this is still depressing.
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It’s not that they can’t, it’s that they don’t want to.
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Leonard Peltier? Edward Snowden?
Meh, fuck it. Our justice system is dead.
Well, unless you’re poor. Then it works just fine. Against the poor.
Trump’s entire stchick is gaming every system to manipulate things in his favour. The Dems always take the higher ground and always get pounded. Every single time - Gore in 2000, particularly.
If Biden ‘pardons’ his son to ameliorate Hunter’s political persecution, then it’s a step in the right direction to push back. Tame as it is, the Dems better learn to fight fire with napalm before all is lost.
Yep.
A few weeks ago we got the final notice that playing nice simply does not work in America. Americans want corruption. They voted for it.
In a system like that you have to play as dirty as your opponent or you will lose.
Time for Dems to take the low road and start winning. That’s how it’s done in America.
This is selfish 1% privileged horseshit. Fuck Biden. Fuck his son. Fuck this selfish, narcissistic act that ignores all of us, you know, us fucks who got him elected.
He is now as much an enemy of mine as Trump is. Fuck him.
I disagree. There is pushing back for political gain, and pushing back for personal gain. Pardoning hunter is certainly an example of Biden abandoning the moral high ground. However it does not advance the cause of the democratic party in any way and only serves Joe Biden and his family personally. This is not a step in the right direction, it gives up moral correctness only to make the political position of the Democrats worse.
Yeah we all know how useful that moral correctness has been the last 20 years
I see the “Republican are always giving up moral superiority to gain an advantage so Democrats should do it too” argument. But at least get something worthwhile for selling your soul. Like, if you’re packing the supreme court you can at least protect abortion rights properly. If you nuke the senate filibuster you can pass some decent healthcare laws, or tax the rich maybe. Pardoning Hunter does nothing for anyone except the Biden family.
Joe is acknowledging that the justice system sucks and powers that be can decide to fuck you over with it any time, but instead of abusing his power to try and fix it, he’s just bailing out his loved ones and then riding off into the sunset, leaving the rest of us to get fucked over. That’s stupid.
Pardoning Hunter does nothing for anyone except the Biden family.
So?
Guy was an actual good president. Anyone that’s done their homework knows that. And he got fucking shafted by a stupid populace.
You think he should now respect that stupid populace by leaving his son in prison for non-violent crimes while a criminal president who explicitly stated he would target his political opponents sits in the Oval Office?
Nah dawg.
And late-term pardons are not some new thing. It’s only news now because a Democrat did it and Democrats have always been held to a higher standard. And that shit needs to change because in America taking the high road doesn’t benefit you in any way.
it gives up moral correctness
That doesn’t matter in America anymore.
only to make the political position of the Democrats worse.
How could it be worse? They lost everything.
We now know, beyond doubt, that attempting to take the moral high ground and honor decorum will make you lose in America. Time for Dems to shift their strategy and play in the mud with Republicans.
Americans are dumb and easily influenced. At this point I’m actually fine with Dems spreading blatant misinformation to win. Because that’s how it’s done in America now.
Nope no nopity nope. People who genuinely have good intentions and actually spark meaningful change will always win in the public’s eye.
Stopping down to the level of the “bad guys” will only make you a “bad guy”. This “us vs them” mentality some of you guys is to the detriment of a functioning government.
I just have to add “They do bad things, so we’re justified to do bad things as well” is such a bad argument.
“Political persecution”. LMFAO He ran around with guns while being high and evaded taxes. Bidens claim that his son was “singled out” only applies in the logic of rich white people, who expect the system to protect them from the law.
I know tons of users of cannabis (it’s legal here) and are gun owners. Nothing wrong with that.
You can be drunk af, and go hunting, and that’s legal.
So yeah, it’s a BS charge.
Tax evasion? Come on. That’s a trumped up charge, seeing as we elected a tax evading rapist as POTUS.
Alcoholics shouldn’t be allowed near firearms either. And in the case of Hunter Biden we are talking about crack cocaine. I hope we can agree that crack addicts have a very different psychology from weed smokers. When it comes to drugs that are particularly problematic with firearms the list is lead by Meth, Crack and Alcohol. And Biden also was an alcoholic at the time.
Per the law, though, cannabis is far more dangerous than crack or non-crack cocaine.
And, no, i don’t think cocaine users are subhuman, undeserving of the same civil rights everyone else has.
And if they are addicted, we should give them the needed health care to solve that.
The US Drug sheduling is absurd.
People not being allowed to own and carry guns while being addicted to drugs doesn’t make them “subhuman”. And what the heck is wrong with Americans defining who is a human and who isn’t based on them having guns?
Also i fail to see how owning guns is in any way relevant to access to healthcare. Should access to healthcare be exclusive to gun owners?
The right to own guns should be dependent on having the full mental capacity and character to handle them responsibly. One of the effects of cocaine and even more so with crack cocaine is a boost to the own ego and removal of empathy towards others. People under the influence of cocaine are known to be more reckless and more violent than sober. Same with alcohol lowering peoples inhibitions and making them more violent and impulsive. These drugs shouldn’t be mixed with guns ever and it is insane to now defend this in order to defend Hunter Biden, just because he is a Biden.
The human right to keep and bear arms is in our constitution
So, yes, abridging a right, to a class of people, is saying they are subhuman, and not deserving of the full spectrum of rights there for all humans.
Yeah mental states should be irrelevant to the ability to tote guns, the most basic of human rights.
Even infant children deserve human rights, give kids guns too!
Being drunk and hunting is absolutely not legal.
Cool cool. Now have Trump shot in the face.
I’m not surprised and I don’t really care. Last time I checked the charges against him were kinda bullshit and it was clear to me that red team was pushing for him to face charges out of spite. It’s funny to see Trump get mad about it though, he would have pardoned his own kid a long time ago if he were in that position. Well, maybe not Eric, but definitely Don Jr, Ivanka, or maybe the other ones.
