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  • Dude, your first recourse was to call me satan for offering a counterpoint, hence my ire. I rightly said you were ‘acting like a twat’.

    I’m sure you’re not a twat and have good intentions. I’m Irish and many of my friends are travellers. We definitely do not experience the same irrational hatred and bigotry as people with more melanin. That hatred is something I see almost every day. I agree wholeheartedly with Diane on that, despite what I might think of her other views.

    Re the Nazis, I’m simply saying your view of the Jews as a race is not so different to theirs. It doesn’t make you a Nazi by any means, but it’s a flawed view. They are not a race.

    Very little of what you said in your last comment I actually disagree with. I concur that discrimination takes many forms, but racism, prejudice, and discrimination are different things in my eyes, and in the modern world, my experience is that people of colour have the short end of the straw with the rampant xenophobia and racism we see every day, mostly towards people who are not white rather than any religious or cultural group.


  • Whose words would they be if I’m saying them? Are there words you’d like me to say?

    I was playing Devil’s Advocate, but you acted like a twat, so I doubled down and gave you some actual examples, only some of which I agree with and all of which you glossed over. Devil’s advocate is not the worst possible version of an argument - that presumes your argument is the best possible version. Quite a presumption on your part. Devil’s Advocate is a counter point to explore other perspectives.

    What I got from your comment is ‘I agree with the Nazi definition of Jews’. The Nazis labelling the Jewish tribe / people / ethnoreligion as race still doesn’t make them a race, despite the view and intention of the Nazis.

    Much like Judas, how is satan the bad guy when god gave him no free will? His role was preordained. Maybe that’s how you see the concept of satan. I see it as free will, individualism, and a counterpoint to traditional religious based morality, which is largely immoral.


  • No idea who this satan fella is. Fuck all to do with me. Seems like you’re just throwing out insults in line one because I wrote a point that disagrees with you. Classy.

    Yes, I am playing devil’s advocate. It seems you can’t grasp the concept of that. What you seem to want is unquestioning agreement, or you’ll hurl insults and accuse people of racism. Again, very classy.

    I did not deny the holocaust at any point but that was objectively not against a race. The Jewish people are not a race; you are using the Nazi’s definition.

    It can be both a religion and ethnicty- an ethnoreligion. A tribe. Judaism isn’t genetic. You or I can become a Jew despite our genetic ancestry.

    And, yes, the vast majority of supposed anti-Semitism I see is anti-Zionism (a virtue). The media does it daily and you are doing the exact same thing, just what the Labour party did to Jeremy Corbyn.


  • Playing devil’s advocate: is she wrong? I’ve seen plenty of racism based upon colour. Every day almost.

    Most supposed anti-Semitism I see is anti-Zionism that the media purposely confuses for their agenda.

    Having lived in multiple communities where gypsies and travellers are common, some of which are good friends, the hatred or dislike they experience is much lesser, and often is based on actual events such as stealing or offering services that are sub-par.