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Forbes article:

Salesforce attacked by ShinyHunters in June

June article by BleepingComputer:

Salesforce attacked by ShinyHunters in June

Coincidence? I don’t think so.

Great, now we might get some government attention. But we still have an ace up our sleeve:

404 without paywall

That hitler-comparsion literally was a quote of Gazans. I tried to discuss this topic with you, even though I dont have good experiences with discussing topics with 2wo accounts and even though you don’t want to read the article and spammed my inbox and repeatedly twisted my words, which you now did again by saying I said Hamas were the reason for Israel’s genocide. Now you’re talking about making the repressive, antisemitic, Islamist, misogynistic, LGBTQ±hostile terrorist organization Hamas a government. I don’t think I’m able to discuss anything with you among these circumstances.

Lol, it’s some Gazans comparing Hitler and Hamas. But that’s not the topic.

I already said it’s Israel commiting the genocide, you don’t have to act like I hadn’t.

It still say Hamas is only interested in its own survival, which you can see when having a look at its history. Now there are first voices in Gaza which claim that the Hamas profits by Israel using hunger as weapon, which the article used as headline.

If you read the article –which you denied to do– you would have come across this passage: “In recent days, I’ve spoken with dozens of Gazans who are furious about what is unfolding around them. They are angry, one told me, at the “hordes of selfish people who are attacking aid convoys to steal and collect aid in a horrific manner without caring for Gazans who chose not to participate in these humiliating and demeaning displays of inhumanity, no matter the level of hunger.” But their anger is directed primarily at Hamas, which they hold responsible for putting the people of Gaza in this position, and for its continued refusal to end the war that it started. “Hitler fought in his bunker until he killed himself in World War II in the Battle of Berlin,” another person said, complaining that Hamas is hunkered down in its tunnels, willing to see Gaza destroyed to the very last child.”

GB is #20 world press freedom, netizens included. USA are on #57… So what do you mean exactly by “never had free speech in the same way as the US”?

The article says that Hamas wants Israel to starve Gazans, it doesn’t say that Israel doesn’t starve Gazans.

It literally says Israel uses hunger as weapon (against Hamas and against –or at least not caring about– civilians): “Hamas has benefited from Israel’s decision to use food as a lever against the terror group, because the catastrophic conditions for civilians have generated an international outcry, which is worsening Israel’s global standing and forcing it to reverse course.”

E: You partly approve the article yourself and I’m aware of the fact it’s Israel committing the genocide.

Not I nor the article have said that Israel isn’t committing genocide. The only thing said is that Hamas profits by it and that Gazans are furious about looters and the Hamas. I don’t understand why so many people downvote this, claim I would be paid, claim I would deny the genocide or write 6 comments where 1 would be enough, if not you want to deny Hamas is a terrorist organization which only cares about its own survival.

Thanks for you more reasonable response than most others. I regarded this article as valuable enough to be shared and discussed about, also since it’s obvious that the Hamas is a suppressive terrorist organization. Sadly most/many people don’t seem to read the article, especially those commenting the most.

E: But can’t it just be a different opinion, which happens to not align with yours, but still isn’t propaganda?

Isn’t for me?

E: Maybe this one? https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/07/hamas-wants-famine/683724/?gift=OsgW-uWNMiSsqh_gTIYXRk4xfcQRH-qTlmxF81QLknM

Step 1: Install Linux.

Arch btw.

Just what could have the hypothetical friend done hypothetically more detailled so they hypothetically seize the hypothetical electronics?

I guess it’s about US law? Idc, here’s German law: As far as I know, pirated content so far hadn’t any relevance in lawsuits based on house seraches. Normally you got problems worse than piracy when they search your house/seize electronics and piracy when discovered so far wasn’t an extra count in lawsuits. But if they really have the urgent need to accuse you of something, they will take whatever they can and only because it so far wasn’t an extra count it doesn’t mean they didn’t reagard it as detail which may has an influence on the verdict.

It’s more about lists and lists in loops and lists in lists in lists and loops in lists in loops and lists getting edited in loops.

Just create an user page.

Just to remember: I’m German myself. I didn’t say they are nazis, I said “Sounds like some nazi stuff, at least that would be my first impression if someone did it here”. I don’t want to implement Godwin’s Law in this constructive discussion. In my opinion it sounds like nazi stuff, because a lot of German nazis I know love to fantasize about their “Germanic roots”. That’s my first impression while I don’t have much detail what you are referring to, since I never experienced such a celebration myself.

Could you understand my position better by what I wrote aside from that stuff about Garmanic celebrations? Because I would like to better understand the US-American view on patriotism while explaining my own.

people that have Nordic or Germanic ancestors and love to celebrate and love that part of their heritage with yearly parties or festivals.

To be honest: Sounds like some nazi stuff, at least that would be my first impression if someone did it here.

Isn’t it a normal human reaction to feel proud of your “tribe”?

Sarcasm joins the room May be, but killing each other was a normal human reaction for millenia. Sadly still is today sometimes.

NASA is great and I really like it, I feel good for humanity because it is able to do different thing than killing. I wouldn’t call that proud, because I didn’t contribute to it. Even space travelling is to complex to like all of it, moon landing was part of some foolish trial of strength on earth- No, I won’t overanalyse it.

I know your July 4th isn’t a cult meeting, but patriotism seems like something invented for people who have nothing they can feel proud about, because they haven’t archived something to be proud about. (Don’t take that personal.) At the same time patriotism tends to sperate different groups of people which shouln’t be seperated since they all are part of humanity and could archive great stuff together. It’s the one thing evil persons can rely on if they want to create a scapegoat to make people fight this scapegoat instead of seeing that they –the people– all are just part of humanity and should revolt against their evil leaders.

I deliberately exaggerated, but I dont’t understand patriotism in general (see comment under OPs response on my comment).

proud of your home and the accomplishments of the country

Don’t really understand that either. I could understand celebrating the date at which you got an united democracy, that’s certainly an accomplishment. Even that happend a quarter millennium ago, you (even your grandmother) didn’t take part in it and nowadays there’s no British monarchy you can annoy by being a democracy, but celebrating democracy as a concept always is great. But you don’t do that. All what I see from the Atlantic Ocean’s other side is some people celebrating something which is written under “Nationality” in their passports. I personally can’t celebrate something as complex/indefinite as a country. I don’t think complex really is the best word for it, but what I mean is that countries never are only good and also “country” itself is a term so obscure and indefinite. The country existed for nearly 250 years, billions of people lived in it and some terrible stuff happend in and because of it. Wars and crimes and war crimes of leading personell, etc. Surely also some good stuff, but how to seperate that? You simply can’t. Is Ronald Reagan part of what you’re celebrating, is Donald Trump part of it? Is democracy part of it? Is some random 1800s-farmer part of it? Are people even part of it and if no why? Are the country’s borders part of it? Is the tree standing in your backyard part of it? You can’t ignore the killing of civilians in Vietnam war while including democracy or can you? What’s home? Is it your family? Your house? Both?

One thing is for sure: You aren’t the country, you just live at some place on the world which happens to be territory of something named “USA”. Same for me, I have been born at some place which happens to be territory of something called “Germany”. Why should I be proud about the place where I was born? That’s no achievement, I didn’t even contribute to it. I’m proud that I managed to contribute to democracy by protesting and voting. I also felt proud about the A I got in some elementary school test. I’m really proud about switching from Windows to Arch Linux in less than 2 hours. I may some day feel proud for my children while watching them doing something great. I contributed to all of this more or less directly and I can feel proud about it for that reason. But why should I feel proud about a country? Germany is nothing I’m responsible for, the (current path of the) USA is nothing you are responsible for. If you were responsible for it, why shouldn’t I be too?

We can’t feel proud about it, we can’t feel ashamed for it, because it isn’t our fault. However we can change the current situation. Changing the world, having the courage to try it, is something we can feel proud about.