So Stallman doesn’t like it because they don’t use open source JavaScript?

I don’t have a problem with Cloudflare not blocking sites based on their belief. When you do that is when you get shut like X where Elon Musk discriminates because you have a different opinion than him. At least Cloudflare just follows the laws and their own rules, instead of just acting as a force for changing the world how they see fit.

I don’t think this blocks crawlers. About 1/5 websites uses cloudflare, the significant thing here’s is that AI scraping is now blocked by default on most of those sites, NOT crawling

Curious, I don’t understand the hate for Cloudflare

Wow, I don’t wanna be on Reddit, but I don’t hate it like this, is this how other people feel?

Looks like 2022 is when they went completely no-CAPTCHA: https://blog.cloudflare.com/end-cloudflare-captcha/

Not sure, i haven’t seen it ever and I use a VPN on everything, Pi Hole at home, along with uBlock Origin and JShelter in Firefox on desktop, never been prompted with anything other than “click here”.

This is becoming more prevalent because of AI bots, Cloudflares services anre actually one of the good guys with tools against bots.

People’s internet bandwidth has multiplied like crazy with all the AI companies stealing everything that goes online, and things like the turnstile do work to reduce that so people can still afford bandwidth.

This is the Dead Internet theory coming true. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2025/04/ai-bots-strain-wikimedia-as-bandwidth-surges-50/

Cloudflare turnstile is just a checkbox, no “pick objects” tests

It’s definitely just virtue signaling

Totally get it.

I just started using the Orion browser from Kagi. It’s actually using WebKit underneath and is kind of like Safari but outside the walled garden (minus sync which requires iCloud right now).

They only support macOS and iOS/iPadOS right now, but are working on Linux & Windows versions.

Worth a shot imo

I’m confused, why is Safari half a rendering engine? Isn’t that WebKit, which was the original rendering engine of Chrome, and the engine used by DuckDuckGo browser on macOS and any browser in iOS? I thought it constituted a full engine, curious on your take.

Well put, I really like this thought and never came across it before.

Not sure things are as open source as they let on… https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/07/nvidia-maintains-its-distinct-version-of-open-with-latest-kernel-modules/