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  • Yeah, this author is the pop-sci / sci-fi media writer on Ars Technica, not one of the actual science coverage ones that stick to their area of expertise, and you can tell by the overly broad, click bait, headline, that is not actually supported by the research at hand.

    The actual research is using limited LLM agents and only explores an incredibly limited number of interventions. This research does not remotely come close to supporting the question of whether or not social media can be fixed, which in itself is a different question from harm reduction.




  • The opening of the wikipedia article on feedback systems:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedback

    The notion of cause-and-effect has to be handled carefully when applied to feedback systems:

    Simple causal reasoning about a feedback system is difficult because the first system influences the second and second system influences the first, leading to a circular argument. This makes reasoning based upon cause and effect tricky, and it is necessary to analyze the system as a whole.

    Almost all real world systems are feedback systems, from biology, to politics and government, to interpersonal relations. Yet people’s instinct is almost always to try and reason through things using cause and effect when that’s often not helpful. When people realize this, they often say 'oh it’s a chicken and egg thing’s or ‘oh it’s impossible to say who did what’ and throw up their hands and give up. But it’s not impossible to analyze feedback systems, nor to figure out relative contributions to them, nor to figure out ways to break out of cycles. But you need to impartially examine the system as a whole, you can’t just try and play the blame game.





  • No, they did not.

    It’s not until the very last 12min of that podcast that they even talk about the question at play which is the sustainable carrying capacity of earth.

    And they do not even remotely seriously cover that topic. They literally just mention that estimates are all over the place and one is a billion and then cherry pick the most optimistic one that says a trillion and literally do not remotely talk about why there are differences or what those estimates are measuring.

    That’s 1.5hr of them covering the history of politicians talking about overpopulation and being like ‘haha Kissinger said it, therefore wrong’. It does not remotely cover an actual scientific understanding of what the earth’s sustainable carrying capacity is or even broach that question in a real way.

    There’s a difference between people misusing overpopulation arguments to try and not change the political status quo, and actual scientific arguments about how much our behaviour impacts earth’s systems.


  • Right, but we could have the same number of people while being ecologically sustainable.

    What are you basing that on?

    We can live more sustainably than we do, but that doesn’t mean we can support this level of population sustainably on the earth’s systems.

    And besides, what’s the alternative? So I think it’s ok to say it’s a good thing the population outlook is downward while recognizing we’ve still got problems

    The alternative is to frankly acknowledge that the earth can’t sustain our current population levels, so policymakers and voters should be focused on increasing economic output with fewer people, and couples / families should try to not be maximalist when it comes to number of children.

    Right now, most governments and billionaires don’t care and are encouraging population growth because more people means more workers to exploit which means they get richer before they die.


  • Do you have a source for that?

    Literally just the amount of fertilizer that we need to produce to grow crops at our scale causes downstream environmental harms. I fail to see how you could sustain 7B people at anywhere close to a comfortable modern lifestyle with current technology.

    Hell we’re projected to run out of copper before we can hit Net Zero. And more people means that we need more resources which means that we need more of everything.

    A more just economic system doesn’t even necessarily reduce emissions. Yeah it’s wasteful when a billionaire takes a private jet, but it’s also incredibly wasteful when a million people install air conditioning. All else being equal, the latter is still a better use of money, but from the planet’s perspective it’s the same.









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    11 days ago

    For people who proclaim to care about critical active thought to think through the issue.

    Lmao, how does noone see the irony of claiming to care about active thinking while boiling the issue down to an oversimplified, black and white, “all AI is bad and all uses of it are bad”.