• Mohamed@lemmy.ca
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    It baffles me that it is even possible to summarily strip citizenship like that.

    Like, it would be a lot more reasonable if people born on US soil, only in the future, no longer get citizenship.

    But how can it be legal to remove citizenship by redefining the law, and then retroactively stripping people of it that no longer fit the definition? Like, isn’t this the same as making a law in 2026 banning smoking, and then going back and jailing anyone who has ever smoked?

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    Sooooo, we’re going to start withthe currently arguably most famous one then, Melania?

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    I have a very close friend from Venezuela, who became a naturalized citizen in December 2924, after Trump’s election, but before his inauguration.

    She tells me she’s not concerned, because she’s a citizen, but they don’t even respect Birthright Citizenship, they certainly aren’t going to respect any citizenship that was conferred under a Democratic administration, especially Obama’s or Biden’s.

    She’s a genuinely good person, and America is a better place with her in it, but MAGA wouldn’t agree. I’m really worried about her.

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      God fucking damn it, you’re telling me he’s getting cryogenically process and is coming back in 900 years to terrorize my Great^30 Grandchildren?

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    There are growing concerns that the DHS effort is more about creating fear and less about successfully stripping citizenship. Even if Americans swept up in investigations aren’t prosecuted or convicted, the process takes a financial and emotional toll; they’d have to hire lawyers and produce documents.

    Margy O’Herron, a senior fellow in the liberty and national security program at the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University Law School, said the mere threat of denaturalization creates real terror.

    “Citizens are afraid that if they do or say something the government doesn’t like — even if those things are lawful and protected by the Constitution — they will be a target,” she said.

    Sounds likely to me.

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      Yep, it would only be applied selectively. They spun this up for Mamdani and the MAGA chuds don’t think it’ll happen to their mail order brides, so they’re all fine with it.

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    If you have some citizens with real citizenship and other citizens with provisional, revocable citizenship, then you have created a system, both in theory and in practice, with first-class and second-class citizens.

    Yet I have a feeling those of us who really were born here are never going to have a citizenship advantage over the likes of Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, Patrick Soon-Shiong, and so on.

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      The division already exists in law, look up statutory citizenship vs constitutional citizenship

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        I’m not a lawyer, but I don’t think I buy that as a comparison.

        Revocation of statutory citizenship would presumably come from an act of congress, revoking the citizenship of whole classes of people at once, like “everyone born on an overseas military base” or “everyone born on a US territory.”

        In contrast, the administration is going after naturalized (constitutional) citizens in a systematic way. It’s not happening at a scale that has any policy-level meaning in a country as large as this, but it can create fear and uncertainty, a feeling of precariousness.

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    Most foreign born Americans. I have a feeling there’s already a list of people who can stay. A short one. Populated by billionaire conservatives and eastern European former models.

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    Take it, please. I’ve been looking for a “get out of citizenship free” card. This would be a dream come true. I’d finally have a free slot to get dual citizenship somewhere nice. Maybe even somewhere with less fascist pedos in charge.

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      Being stateless tends not to work out so well. Other countries don’t suddenly decide to offer citizenship to those in need.

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          What’s preventing you from simply renouncing it then?

          I’m familiar with a handful of people who have done so, mostly due to the tax burden that this country places on them. The fee is a bit hefty, but it was better than continuing to pay taxes towards a country you don’t even live in.