In an episode of Two Nice Jewish Boys, which aired three weeks ago, host Weinstein said: “If you gave me a button to just erase Gaza, every single living being in Gaza would no longer be living tomorrow. I would press it in a second.”
He claimed that “most Israelis” would do the same.
Meningher added that they would also want to wipe out Palestinians in “the territories”.
The clip of Weinstein and Meningher lauding the idea of all five million Palestinians in the Gaza Strip and West Bank being wiped out has drawn fierce criticism online.
“Radio Rwanda in full effect here. This is deeply disturbing,” journalist Samira Mohyedeen wrote on X, referring to the broadcasts that incited genocide against the Tutsis during the 1994 Rwandan genocide.
Someone will unironically post this as though that’s not what every member of Hamas means when they say “from the River to the Sea.”
Yes, this guy is an asshole. Yes, there are assholes in every political group. Yes, there are podcasters in YOUR country calling for genocide of some group.
Those that use the phrase definitely know what they’re saying and how they’re saying it. I could think of any other number of ways to convey a message of “liberation” without such loaded language, but this is a choice to use that phrase.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea
Al Qaeda
Among the materials recovered by American forces during the killing of al-Qaeda founder Osama bin Laden was a speech addressed to the American people, in which bin Laden proposed economic and security guarantees in exchange for a “roadmap that returns the Palestine land to us, all of it, from the sea to the river, it is an Islamic land not subject to being traded or granted to any party.”
Hezbollah
On September 27, 2008, Hezbollah secretary-general Hassan Nasrallah stated at a rally “Palestine, from the sea to the river is the property of Arabs and Palestinians and no one has the right to give up even a single grain of earth or one stone, because every grain of the land is holy. The entire land must be returned to its rightful owners.”
Iran
Iranian president Ebrahim Raisi, in 2023, used the phrase, saying “The only solution is a Palestinian state from the river to the sea”, meaning that the only solution to the conflict would be a Palestinian state encompassing all of Israel and the Palestinian territories.
"Yeah these guys are calling for literal Genocide, but that’s what “from the river to the sea means!”
What an incredibly weird whataboutism and wild claim to make without evidence.
Meningher has done actual media for Netanyahu’s campaigns.
How does anything Hamas are doing have any bearing on this guy openly broadcasting his genocidal fantasy?
Palestinians have a right to resist occupation and colonialism.
The slogan From the River to the Sea is about Palestinian liberation that started in the 60s by the PLO for a democratic secular state, not Genocide. The Syrian leader Hafez al-Assad in 1966 maybe, but he’s not Palestinian.
They don’t actually seem that nice to me
Nor are they “boys”. They’re like mid-late thirties men.
With opinions like this i promise you they are children.
As long as they’re tried as adults
it’s a typo, it was supposed to say Nazi but when it was autocorrected they kept Nice in the name because the irony makes it funny
“Feeling genocidey, might delete later.”
At this point I vote we forcibly remove EVERYBODY from the entirety of Israel and Palestine. If they can’t share it nicely, nobody should get to have it.
The 27 ton Tsar Bomba buried under Jerusalem:
👉👈
They said remove, not murder. Realistically it would never work without creating huge problems for all involved, but I’m sure they were mostly joking.
Like " no body gets to play with the ball if you can’t share nicely" … not, murder the kids.
I guess getting genocided makes it more likely to commit one yourself.
Maybe Palestinians will be the genocidal cunts in the year 2104 if this pattern holds. Weird to think about.
If we remove the outside resistance, no, just as likely simply because of being of genocidal species.
If we don’t, then being genocided yourself and becoming treated specially because of that does, yes.
First, because of being treated specially. Second, because of those likely to commit genocide supporting you to minimize their PR expenses, and thus your friends and allies being genocidal.
Israel’s allies are like US and Germany, which, BTW, has made such notable apologetic actions and reparations only in case of the Holocaust, - they haven’t done anything except the official apology in case of Herero genocide, and their stance on the Armenian genocide was just recognizing it without criminalizing denial, and with very little attention to German Empire’s role in organizing it (basically German military advisors in the Ottoman Empire were involved in this as much as they were in actual warfare).
I don’t think I need to say anything about US, even the political status of Native Americans in the US could be something better.
But Israel is also friendly with Turkey - Israel has the PR advantage of being a genocide survivor nation, and Turkey has a resources and strategic position advantage of unpunished genocide perpetrator nation. One needs the resources help, another needs the PR help. They satisfy each other’s needs, and really a lot of basic goods in Israel are actually produced in Turkey. Even some military stuff.
Strangely enough it’s the same with Germany - they are clutching at every opportunity to publicly support Israel, and wave that support against anything bad they do. “We are friendlier with Israel than you” is their indulgence against anything.
This is, of course, solvable in the balancing way - Israel’s Holocaust PR should be universally shunned and condemned, their agent network investigated, exposed and controlled, and their military kicked out of Palestine, and Turkey should be kicked out with carpet bombings out of Western Armenia, Pontus, Assyria and Cilicia. It takes resources, like everything else. But the reward is huge for those of us not making money on suffering.
The problem is the psychopatic way geopolitics work currently. Peaceful West Asia, less corrupt\poor Latin America, less uneducated\poor sub-Saharan Africa could make our whole world far richer and pleasant to live in. But it would definitely change all the elites and ways of existence of currently powerful countries.
Don’t confuse Israelis with all Jews, especially not with the ones that got genocided.
Never forget that actual Holocaust Survivors have been deemed antisemitic by Israelis for comparing some of the actions of Israel with those of the Nazis.
More broadly only a handful of people who were directly affected by the Holocaust still live, of which only a fraction in Israel, none of which are the ones doing this (if only because they’re too old) or in Government. In fact the majority of the families in Israel were never affected by the Holocaust even indirectly because most come from elsewhere than Western Europe, a large fraction of whom from Russia.
There is no such thing as a “Jewish Hive Mind” (or whatever the magical thing that would be necessary for every member of the Jewish Religion to share the actual trauma lived by some) which means that the vast majority of these murdering ethno-Fascist psychopaths have no real relation to the Holocaust other than sharing a religious affiliation with the biggest group of victims of it, a distant and entirely “in paper only” link.
So it’s not at all surprising that people who have never actually experienced the trauma of being victimized in that way but grew up immersed in the kind of racist indoctrination that tells them they’re part of a “chosen people” and hence inherently special themselves, unlike other people, especially the ones being oppressed in their name who they are told are “violent” and even “human animals”, would do such a thing to those other people: in fact the surprise is how long it took the rest of us to discover how much of it they were already doing and discover the true depth of their depravity.
Israel can fuck right off. Clearly, “never again” doesn’t mean fuck all to the Israeli government who are doing the same shit the Nazis did, only with bombs instead of gas chambers.
Fuck Israel. The US should have stopped giving them money decades ago.
it’s parody. Sending a message to the jew-hating jihadists using their own language against them. I’m sorry but it looks like OP skipped the “middle-east beginner pack” and needs to go back to square one. that place is not the west. those people are not western people. they don’t have western culture, values, assumptions. and if those so-called “palestinians” met you, they would immediately smell your western liberal weakness. they would instantly despise you for it and treat you despicably.
He claimed that “most Israelis” would do the same.
Completely believable
“Everyone’s saying it. All the best people are saying it.”
Sounds familiar, doesn’t it?
Any man calling himself a boy is a douche
Funny, if you’d do this in my country you’d get into trouble. But Israeli genocide is so hot right now it seems.
wow, would you be ok to boil them and make soap as well? or make random medical experiments on them maybe?
Maybe all Israelis need to visit Dachau or Auschwitz to remember how being actively erased isn’t a good thing. How quickly it’s forgotten.
Israel is in dire need of denazification.
Or the Warsaw ghetto… you know… a segregated part of a country bring reduced to ruin with technological superior weaponry, due to a people resisting the oppressive regime of a racist state.
Ya this was my exact thought, this is Nazism, pretty much the definition of it.
I’m not a fan of anti Israel posts. Just like I’m not a fan of anti Palestine posts. Can we keep this propaganda off Lemmy? I think most Lemmy users are pretty left leaning and we don’t need hate posts every single day about it.
Not to mention all this is doing is adding viewers to these guys. I didn’t know who they were until this post and I can guarantee they gained a few new viewers from this. Better to leave them in obscurity.
Yeah lets tone police the genocide.
No it’s important to talk about this AND keep the pressure up on our politicians to stop arming Israel to try and force them to stop. If you don’t like it, don’t read it.
Yes 100%. However these guys are not associated with the US so calling then out doesn’t do anything. Just another circle jerk for anti Israel Lemmy users.
Also there’s a million real articles about the genocide. We don’t need this stupid article about 2 nobodies who have a podcast.
Nah, I think it’s important for people to see the kind of attitudes that cause a genocide, as that’s what’s happening right now. We shouldn’t be turning a blind eye to it while we’re funding and supplying it. Especially if you live in the West, Israel’s biggest backers, it’s important to acknowledge it so we can fight against it. That’s kind of what “never again” means and requires.
I am all for journalists doing their job and reporting on facts. This is not that.
This is basically a puff piece to generate hate against Israel. You are assuming the general public has common sense. Do you think in Nazi Germany didn’t have anti nazi propaganda? All that type of journalism does is gather the dregs of society and let’s them believe there is a place in this world for hate. When we give credence to these people, whether negative or positive, we give them power. As I mentioned all this article does is generate viewership for fascists.
If you want to see less anti israel posts just block people or instances posting them.
There is nothing wrong with calling out Nazis. It is duty to speak up against Genocide.
As for the anti-Palestine posts, those don’t do very well on Lemmy anymore.
You’re right. we need some sensible, dispassionate coverage of actual modern day nazis: – palestinians flying the swastika, making roman salutes, praising adolf hitler and calling for extermination of every last jew worldwide
You are completely missing the point. This article is not journalism. There’s plenty of news article based on fact that represent what Israel is actually doing. This is an opinion piece and does nothing but generate views for fascists. You are literally HELPING them. They are profiting off of this article.
It is not an opinion piece, it’s reporting on a viral event that happened recently. They are quoting people in the article. The article is not written by an israeli paper but a UK based one.
Here is the clip the article is reporting on it’s a mirror, they are not getting views from this.
If these guys would get more popular in israel by making these statements that says a lot about israeli society.
A few months ago I started useing Google Translate to read what Israelis are saying amongst each other in their mainstream publications and forums.
My. God. Levels of entitlement and racism that would make a Klansman blush.
Sure, a lot of them want a cease-fire to get the hostages back … and most don’t like Netanyahu … but the average Israeli Zionist is a racist monster.
This is quite disturbing, thank you for sharing. I forget that the localised cultural medias on both sides is likely the greater measure of reality but not within most people’s awareness.
You have to remember that the people who post comments on news articles are not average. Look at any English news site article and its full of the most bottom of the barrel idiots. The majority of people don’t comment on things like this.
Even republicans don’t have the gall to say such shit.
I’m not referring to powerless, mouth-breathing, NEETs who normally lurk forums.
But I’m referring to comments from actual members of the Israeli Knesset, public statements from people like the OP, printed editorials in mainstream publications, and modern Israeli celebrities.
When you read through the translations not meant for western audiences - the racism pops out disturbingly. It’s such a part of their culture that they don’t even notice it as such. Zionists really don’t view people in the West Bank or Gaza as humans.
Quite a statement for using Google Translate. Interpreting words is difficult, doing so while using pretty bad translation service may lead you to the interpretation completely different from what was intended. Not saying they aren’t nazis, just criticising your post.
Unless you can come up with a better translation, you’re not offering critique, just you’re just sowing doubt without backing evidence.
I find it highly unlikely there’s an alternative translation here that we’d consider morally okay to say.
Unless you can come up with a better translation
Sure, I’ll try, can you share links where you saw them saying those things?
you’re just sowing doubt without backing evidence
And it’s the right thing to do. It’s you who should provide evidence when you claim someone is a nazi, and we should doubt your words until you prove it.
Here’s an article with some examples: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-nakba-israels-far-right-palestinian-fears-hamas-war-rcna123909
Examples include:
- Inflicting a new Nakba
- Dropping a nuclear bomb on Gaza
- Creation of “sterile zones” on the west bank
The EU has even been considering sanctioning some of these ministers for hate speech. So please, try and keep up.
Thanks. Yeah, that’s disgusting.
How fucking wrong a translation can go to change the interpretation to “we will make them watch the death of their babies and then we’ll kill them too”
It’s a good thing to keep in mind but it’s a different culture, right now they can’t decide if torture and rape of prisoners is okay.
Don’t forget a good chunk of those Israelis are also American.
We’re not sending our best.
As best I can tell, the most racist zionists are usually American-born Israelis.
You have to remember that their religion teaches them that non-jewish humans are, well, ‘not that important’
To put it mildly
The vast majority of Jewish people in the world realize this is wrong and ignore this part of their ancient teachings. Don’t go shaming the whole religion over some violent extremists.
Israel was also secular when it was founded. Look it up. This is 100% on their government and right wing extremists and not Judiasm as a whole.
I do my best to always use the word Zionist before the word Israeli.
Israel’s secularism is irrelevant to the overall racist ideology of Zionism that permeates Israeli society.
Why shouldn’t I shame the religion because some people choose to ignore part of it?
Because if the majority of people following a particular religion reject a prior view as false or wrong, then arguably that view is no longer part of the religion.
Religions aren’t crisp, unchanging, monolithic entities where everybody believes the same thing forever. If we’re talking about judaism in the sense of the views and practices jewish people actually subscribe to, then that seems like we are referring to beliefs they actually hold in a mainstream/current sense, not beliefs they previous held but now reject?
So you’re saying that because a religion allows you to choose which of God’s commandments, carefully passed down through every generation, you personally want to follow based on your gut feeling, can’t be shamed?
Why should the ones who choose to deny parts of their religion be seen as representative of it over those who’ve chosen to uphold them?
So you’re saying that because a religion allows you to choose which of God’s commandments, carefully passed down through every generation, you personally want to follow based on your gut feeling, can’t be shamed?
No, that is not what I said.
Why should the ones who choose to deny parts of their religion be seen as representative of it over those who’ve chosen to uphold them?
I definitely answered this in my original comment.
It’s in the religion’s text. “Judaism” is complicated as it can either mean religion, culture or ethnicity/race, but they said “religion teaches”, so we can assume that they’re referring to the practicing religious category.
Religion is a monstrous evil.
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