They probably want to make the minimum age to vote 50 years old. That’s pretty sad.
Let them do it, and make sure everyone knows why.
Republicans choose conservatism over democracy, and they lose the more people vote.
I don’t think they are conservatives, although they call themselves that. Democrats are conservatives.
Classic conservatives conserve: this is a mob who could not individually list one thing they want to keep from changing. They want as much change that makes them the most money
republicans are trying to conserve billionaires money, democrats are trying to conserve the larger federal system. Nobody is trying to fix the system atm.
Preservation of an existing thing and conservative political ideology aren’t actually linked. No matter how much conservatives try to tell you they are. Classic Conservatism was just how 17th and 18th century political philosophers referred to monarchies and top down systems that impose order on the masses. This was in opposition to Classical Liberalism which was a bottom up imposition of order. I.e. by the people, for the people.
In many ways the South came out of the revolution still subscribed to classical conservatism. They favored a heavy class system, different rules for the elite and workers, and were loathe to expand voting beyond the elite. Even after the civil war they made the antebellum period their golden age. It wasn’t until the post world war 2 era offered Neo-Liberalism that they really gave up trying to go back to the antebellum period. There were even slave-like conditions called peonage right up to the mid 1940s.
One of the biggest differences in classical conservatism and liberalism was what they called, the state of nature. Liberals saw all men as inherently good, but taught to be evil by oppression and stressful environmental factors. Conservatives saw all men as inherently evil and in need of strong control. Their theories followed pretty well from those base assumptions. Although there was also a healthy dose of Divine Rule in conservatism.
I’m mentioning this because I hope everyone reading this can realize the Republicans of the cold war, as racist and hateful as they were, were still inside classical liberalism. They still believed in democracy, rule by the people, for the people. Since the end of Bush’s presidency though they’ve increasingly decided classical conservatism is more attractive.
I’m mentioning this because I hope everyone reading this can realize the Republicans of the cold war, as racist and hateful as they were, were still inside classical liberalism. They still believed in democracy, rule by the people, for the people.
Considering the war on drugs I question that. The war on drugs was just the new Jim Crow
Yup. But that was about minorities and leftists. As far as the general disposition of the working class, the Republicans were actually working for their votes. Nixon gave us OSHA as well as the war on drugs.
Another factor I didn’t mention above is that the Republican party fundamentally changes in the 1960’s because of the Dixie Flip. That’s when they really became the party of the South. Before that the parties were far more mixed around geographically. Which is why I go from talking about the South and conservatives to talking about the Republicans.
Dems need to draw a line in the sand here and do some of the campaigning on this
“They are so afraid that they would rather shut down government than allow votes”
I suspect the redhats would just interpret the votes being blocked were for “illegals” and that this was a good thing. Because they’ve been told this repeatedly.
The Republicans are trying to prevent college students from voting with this bill.
OK…?
You’re right. They don’t even care what their reps are trying to do. It’s all about feelings.
That’s the counterpoint. The data shows that it was already illegal for “illegals” to vote and there are no reported cases of it. However, there are hundreds of cases of republicans using this law to prevent (your) college students from voting. If you have a son or daughter away at college, do they have their birth certificate with them so they can register to vote?
Why did you feel the need to make a counterpoint to me pointing out that they don’t care about counterpoints?
Because you didn’t point anything out??
pretty sure Republicans care about counterpoints if their counterpoint to “Republicans are shutting down the govt” is “them illegals!”. The correct reply is “your kids!”
Do it, yah fucking whinny-ass man-child.
Shut the fucking government down because you’re afraid of fucking democracy.
I think “fucking democracy” is their end goal here.
Pretty sure that’s how you catch liberty… and they think it’s an std
Sexually transmitted democracy eww 🤢
A much more exciting revolution, if we’re being honest.
Make love not war!
I get the sentiment, and am also so, so tired of this. But. It’s an election year and Biden is currently president. In other words, these freaks will absolutely shut down the government, actively harm the economy, and reduce our national security because they can then blame democrats and it will help elect Trump. Please vote, donate, and volunteer accordingly…
They would never. They can threaten all they want but what they are really risking is the dollar as the dominant currency. If it becomes commonplace or even somewhat likely that a shutdown can happen, the rest of the world sees that as instability. These fools don’t know what levers they are messing with and the second someone actually pulls it they will shit their pants crying because they made a booboo.
only idiots see that.
Everyone else sees that they’re actively fucking everyone over. there’s not enough idiots to sway, if everyone gets out to vote.
Mint the damn trillion-dollar coin
How can they think this will do anything other than make them look bad?
They have fox news, which tells all their fans that this is only meant to stop the 52 million illegals who crossed the border last year from stealing the election like in 2020.
They don’t care, so long as those who dislike them can’t vote.
Cowards
Cure this by actually voting. Fire these fuckers!
You can! NOW!
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They absolutely have.
You know how I know? Because they’re getting more and more insane while also less and less able to do anything meaningful about anything, they’re crazy and impotent, both politically and in their personal lives.
This is literally what winning looks like, finish strangling the serpent.
The Democrats have had the majority in relatively recent years
You mean the two years they controlled the executive and legislative branches, but not the judicial, under Obama?
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It would if Obama didn’t have several members of his own party working against his agenda. But then I’m sure you knew that.
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Mitch McFuckingDemonTurtle is against forcing this through now?
What universe is this!? I didn’t wake up in the good timeline, Trumpism still exists, but I’ll take one slightly good thing I guess!
McTurtle cares about only 1 thing, power. He is nothing if not shrewd. The man would sell his wife out as a chinese spy if he thought it woild give the GOP an edge
They threaten/shit down the government every other issue… Like a toddler having a tantrum.
a toddler throws a tantrum when it thinks it can get something it wants from the adult and democrats have a history of giving these toddlers what they wanted when they tantrum-ed hard enough; their current party leader literally used to brag about doing so in his 2020 campaign.
shit down the government
I don’t know if this was a typo, but it’s rather appropriate either way.
Typo but I’m gonna keep it. Like you said it works
They demand Dems give them something to campaign on by threatening to do something Dems could then use to campaign against them?
Democrats should just threaten to shut down the government unless republicans suck Donald Stumps dick in response. Super easy, next question
Who you kidding, they’ll form a line to do it.
I say call their obvious bluff.
I’m not convinced it’s a bluff. As an outsider looking in, I’m going to tell you how I see this sort of situation.
The Republicans have embraced the Trump way of just accepting you’re the bad guy, knowing your diehards will vote for you anyway. Whereas the Democratic members and voters expect responsibility from their party leaders.
So in a shutdown, the Republicans lose nothing, and the Democrats can lose everything.
And the Republicans will all run to their chosen propaganda outlets to cry about how it’s Democrats that are causing the shut down because they “refuse to secure our elections” and if course the typical person who doesn’t follow politics much will eat it up. :(
Dems should threaten them with a good time. Say, sure, to vote you have to prove you’re a citizen… by showing your passport. More than half of these clowns haven’t ever left their trailer park towns.
The problem with that is that Republicans are always saying that Government doesn’t work and the whole system is dysfunctional, so when they turn around and deliberately break it they’ll just tell their idiot constituents that they were obviously right the whole time.
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