edit: I have changed my title to match the new NYTimes headline. Sorry about the all caps, I guess they are really excited about this lol
Also shoutout to @SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone who shared a gift article link in the comments. I hope you don’t mind but I kinda stole it and updated the post
So… is there a minimum sentence here? If so, what is it?
Judge set the sentencing hearing for July 11, so it’ll be a bit before we know the final details.
Right, but we should know just based on what laws he was found guilty of violating what the minimum sentences for violating them are (if there are minimums).
Probation/ community service up to 4 years per count
Edit: 4 years of jail, not community service
IANAL, but If I’m understanding this correctly, because he was found guilty of class E felonies, there is technically a minimum of 1 year in prison, but if the court:
is of the opinion that a sentence of imprisonment is necessary but that it would be unduly harsh to impose an indeterminate or determinate sentence, the court may impose a definite sentence of imprisonment and fix a term of one year or less.
Which seems like an alternative minimum. It seems like there will be additional evaluations as part of sentencing, which may or may not be postponed by appeals. He may get up to 4 years per count (which I’m assuming would be concurrent), maybe 1, maybe less if the court finds that it would be harsh to do so.
Even 1 would do so much to restore my faith in…so much.
But the dude is 10000% getting probation.
The system isn’t quite designed to do what many of us think it should do, but at times, it can get close.
Unfortunately, there’s a good chance you’re right, and this isn’t one of those times.
I hope I’m wrong! I really do.
Good question. All I know is sentencing is set for July 11 at 10 a.m.
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Apparently, assuming he’s voting in Florida, for an out of state felony they use the other state’s rules to determine if he can vote. For New York, you can vote unless you are in prison for a felony (people on parole can vote). So unfortunately unless he’s thrown in jail, he’ll probably be able to vote for himself in Florida.
But hey maybe he goes to jail for something finally. That’d be nice.
Fuck prisoner disenfranchisement. Adult citizens should be able to vote, full stop. Even a treasonous scumbag fascist racist felon like trump.
Rich people, and politicians, don’t go to jail in America.
Well they certainly have a leg up and don’t go to jail as often as they should, politicians do go to jail sometimes. Easy to find federal politicians that have on this list:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_federal_politicians_convicted_of_crimes
But yeah I’ll be surprised if Trump ever actually ends up behind bars.
Unless there is an appeal before November
Shitshow, definitely.
But apparently he can vote if he is done serving the punishment. So, if the punishment is a fine and he pays the fine, Florida can (and probably will) reinstate his right to vote.
It depends on the punishment and when he’ll be able to complete the punishment.
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Fraud just has a nicer ring to it imo
One way or the other, it will be historic. This is much faster than I expected the Jury to deliberate.
I assume if they have a verdict it’s guilty. Could be wrong.
You’re not wrong
Within a day (and likely within 30 minutes at that…), we will know the Jury’s verdict. Might as well wait for it.
But but it’s my justice and I need it now!
(Apparently JG Wentworth is joining the dark side,)
Holy fucking shit, I need to eat my shoe
Get some pepper, get at it, and get some pix. For us.
I am going to be sad when I wake up.
Why?
This quick must be guilty. I’ll allow myself to hope.
Lock
herhim up!We even have signs that will work for this occasion with a slight modification.
Do you guys think this matters to his voters/supporters?
This is going to give a lot of GOP Senators a fig leaf.
If someone puts a motion in Congress to make it illegal for him to run, a lot of them will vote for it.
I absolutely do not want a ban on felons running for President. In some countries, that is used as a political tool to eliminate political opponents. Putin used that against Navalny.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42479909
Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny has been formally barred from competing in next year’s presidential election.
The Central Electoral Commission has said Mr Navalny was ineligible because of a corruption conviction which he says is politically motivated.
He has urged his supporters to boycott the March vote.
Mr Navalny, 41, was widely regarded as the only candidate with a chance of challenging President Vladimir Putin.
Not to mention, Trump won’t even be the first person in the USA who could be running for president from jail.
edit: the first from a major party though, sorry Debs
I get allowing former felons to run for office - they served time that society said was their punishment. They are done with it.
But a law that bans a felon that has not completed their punishment is a different story.
His felonies are related to campaing financing, which could be used to narrow down without banning all felons. While I oppose anyone losing the right to vote, I don’t oppose people who are connvicted of treason, insurrection, or felonies related to campaign finance or abuse of elected positions being banned since they have been proven to have undermined democracy.
We’ve banned them from voting for decades.
Also, the USA isn’t Russia and Biden isn’t Putin.
Not running, though. Much harder to use that to eliminate a political opponent.
Also, the USA isn’t Russia
No. But I’d also like to keep it that way.
Then keep Donald out.
This was not the first time Trump has had a run in with the law. When he was building Trump Tower he employed Polish immigrants and treated them so badly that they won a million dollar settlement against him
bad law. I’d much rather a law where the candidate has to describe the nature of their past convictions in a written statement submitted with their filing paperwork to run and explain why each one doesn’t affect their ability to run the country.
Aka reflecting on one’s crimes.
It gives us something new to troll those miserable asshats over. “Interesting argument, but have you considered the fact that your candidate is a convicted felon?”
It’s reductive to think of his supporters as a single bloq.
It will certainly matter to at least some of them.
Tucker Carlson responded to today’s verdict in what can only be described as an apocalyptic tone, stating on X that the jury’s decision marked “the end of the fairest justice system in the world.” The former Fox News host said that Trump would still win the election “if he’s not killed first,” and closed by saying that “anyone who defends this verdict is a danger to you and your family.”
Before all this started, people did make claims that they wouldn’t vote for him if he was convicted.
But then they also said they wouldn’t vote for him even if Nikki Haley conceded.
So we’ll see, I guess. But I’m not optimistic.
It will most matter for undecided voters who required a guilty verdict to decide, althoigh I’m not sure that is a large number in swing states.
It won’t matter for his base that already ignore reality.
Yes: To them this demonstrates that the justice system is corrupt and they think only Trump can fix it.
They will believe this even though Trump isn’t running for any office in New York 🤣
It’ll probably be good for his campaign somehow
He’ll be able to work some sort of grift off of it for sure but I feel like this definitely gives some Republicans an “out.”
Now they just have to take it.
They didn’t take Jan 6
Some, but they’ll never tell the others.
Ladies you don’t have to tell your husband you voted for Biden.
AMA request: The person who will conduct the presentencing interview.
Former President and convicted felon, Donald J Trump
two times popular vote loser, two times impeached, orange scrotum face Donald trump
In other news, some little-known actor committed multiple felonies. Probably will end up on the front of grocery store tabloids. ;)
The Former Guy The Felon Guy
Take your pick
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Yes. Former President, convicted felon, and rapist, Donald J Trump.
Guilty on all 34 counts!
So what happens now?
Fines? Community service? Jail? Nothing?
He’ll get 34 slaps on the wrist then become our president for a term that doesn’t end until he dies
37 felonies?
Good one. There will be riots in the fucking streets lmao
37?
Hey, try not to commit any crimes on your way to the parking lot!
34*** I’ll correct
I just can’t see the number 37 without thinking of Clerks.
37! When I kiss you I taste 37 other dicks!
Me since 2017:
We’ll come back here in a few years and see which one of us is right
If you’re that dedicated to proving a point, I’m concerned for you.
It was an admission that you might be right but go off, dude
Either way man, going back to a post from 3+ years ago isn’t exactly ‘normal’ imo haha
Not everything is an attack
Want to put some money on it? You take tRump, I’ll take Biden. How much?
Oh! Not so willing to take up that bet at this juncture??
Edit:that was for sarln: answer, bro.
crickets lol, so it’s a bot
Won’t know till July when sentencing happens.
Most likely, fines that he’ll pay for with cultist money.
God damn it, don’t take my job away from me!
Sorry, couldn’t help it. Still, break out the Andorian ale!
Today we’re all flying high, Squid
I was and then I got out-Rikered!
Speaking of Riker’s… Riker’s Island is gonna have to make some room!
Hey, you stole it in the first place.
We are all sad trombone players on this blessed day.
Speak for yourself
Ugh, I hated that character, but I guess that was the point.
Translation: republicans rigged 2016 election to usurp power, stole 3 Supreme Court seats, passed illegitimate tax cuts for ultra rich, and committed violent insurrection when public legitimately tried to remove them from power.
Every. Single. Republican. Is. Guilty. By. Association.
That’s completely incorrect.
Trump was convicted of 34 counts of falsifying business records. These were the charges in the NY “hush money” trial only.
Here’s a handy tracker for the other cases form the Associated Press.
falsifying business records
To influence the outcome of the 2016 election.
He didn’t decisively win, it’s not inaccurate to deduce from this conviction that the 2016 election was stolen
It’s true that the contents of this trial can be used for the arguments of the prosecution in the Federal and Georgia election trials, but he was not convicted of any crime other than falsifying business records.
Trump was convicted on 34 counts of falsifying business records, a class E felony that is punishable by a fine, probation or up to four years in prison per count.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-prison-hush-money-trial-verdict-rcna153963
The felony upcharge requires he falsify in furtherance of another crime, which was argued to be hiding campaign contributions.
Yes. He used campaign funds to pay Cohen for his role as a personal attorney, but the payments were actually reimbursement for Cohen’s initially laid out hush money to Daniels.
All I said was he wasn’t charged with it. It’s absolutely going to be used to address his character in the other cases, but they may not get heard until after November at this rate.
The Federal election is postponed until SCOTUS rules on immunity. The Georgia election is postponed until the state Senate investigates Fani Willis, and the documents case is postponed indefinitely.
I’m surprised so many people think that this proves he’s guilty for all of the cases. We all knew he was before this trial even started. This legally only proves he’s guilty of fraud until he begins another trial.
but he was not convicted of any crime other than falsifying business records.
Cool, but irrelevant as nobody was talking about what laws were technically broken, they were pointing out what being guilty of that means in reality
according to The Guardian, for it to be considered a felony charge they had to prove that Trump did it with the intent to commit another crime; The other crime being a New York state law that says it is illegal for “any two or more persons who conspire to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means”
So the election interference charge form part of the existing charges without being separate charges in and of themselves
The main argument from prosecution to this end was that the encounter happened in 2006 (ish, I might be off) but the hush money wasn’t an issue until the election campaign. Therefore, they argued, it was paid (and covered up with false business records) to influence the election.
What I was looking for - thanks
Definitely an appeal incoming. No way it gets overturned before the election, right?
No, but if sentenced to prison, will he be imprisoned during the appeal? Or will they let him out on house arrest and allow him to campaign within the state?
it definitely could
Let us be happy for a day.
Guilty on the first count.
Counts 2~10 guilty.
🧹🧹🧹
So TIL my parents will be voting for a convicted felon in November 🤦♀️
Oh hey there sibling! We’ve got the same parents! And in-laws!
Tonight we celebrate!!!
