Putting him in jail is what he wants. He’ll use that to make his political martyr stance. It will escalate tension in his ranks and possibly result in violence. He can use all of it in his favor bc his people believe anything.
Putting him in jail is what he wants.
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If he wants to have a conflict with the government to try to get the faithful riled up, he can induce it one way or another. It could be violating a court order or just directly breaking some law.
If that’s what he’s aiming for, I’m not sold that this is is a clever tactic that would play in his favor. I’m sure that there are people who it’ll get worked up. But the flip side is that winning a general election entails convincing the center. And I am not at all sure that what people want, across-the-board, is more circus. I think that the people for whom it’d be compelling are weighted towards the people who are already gonna vote and vote for him. I think that the people for whom it’d be a turn-off are likely weighted towards the people who are at risk of not voting for him.
I never said it was a smart play but he will use it, just like the mugshot. That didn’t hurt him but instead fueled a boost in the polls. Polls don’t mean shit but he got a boost. We have a weak sitting president and Trump uses outrage as a fuel. He will capitalize on it. Instead, fine him a large amount and show he’s a broke bitch. That will do a lot more.
Bet
Then do it and leave him there until he apologizes. He’s such a weak little baby. He can’t handle a few days in a cell.
Maybe the Judge will actually do something useful once Trump’s stochastic terrorism actually, inevitably, leads to an act of violence.
But probably not.
I was gonna say 3rd times the charm but it clearly isn’t.
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“Just 15 or 20 more times, mister! I’m not kidding this time!”
You guys rip on me 13 or 14 more times and I’m out of here. ~basketball
You should be ashamed of yourselves!
Back in the driveway, we were nothing!
Now we’ve risen to the highest level, but you’re throwin’ it all away!
If you’ve forgotten what baseketball means to America, you have only to look at this board - the Malaka-Laka Balance Board of Trust.
Don’t you see what we have here?
A game where guys with bad backs and bad knees can… get together and compete on the same field as guys that are all goosed up on steroids.
But more than anything, isn’t this game about gettin’ together with your friends and just havin’ a good time?
I remember. I remember a long time ago, I didn’t have anybody.
You guys took me in. I guess that’s why it kills me to see you like this.
If we can’t be friends… then the heart and soul are out of this game. Certainly out of me. I know I’ll never get that back again.
We have sullied the waters of the Lagoon of Peace!
I’m begging you, for the love of our Caribbean brothers, dudes, stop this madness!
I don’t know why I hang out with you guys!
Your mom’s dating SQUEAK!
Dude
It’s 2 times. The first 9 violations were assessed as a block (it was 9 separate tweets). So this is only his second warning.
Given that the judge doesn’t want to get the case thrown out on appeal, two warnings is perfectly reasonable.
Look, buddy… Your reasonabilitiness is getting in the way of my pissedoffedness. Meet me back here in two weeks so one of us can say “See? I told you so!”
I’ll have to check my schedule, I think I already have an angry screaming match scheduled around that time.
Stop. Threatening.
Start. Sentencing.
It’s not a sentence. This is a penalty imposed by a judge for misbehaviour in a court room, not a sentence handed down for a crime.
And the judge has to give at least a couple of warnings (this is actually the 2nd, not the 10th; the first 9 violations were all assessed as a block) or else he risks the actual case getting thrown out on appeal.
Sentencing him to jail is going to activate his base. That’s my only concern. People who have grown tired of him crying wolf will finally see this as the deep state locking away Trump to keep him from campaigning.
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11 in binary is 3, so…
Goddamn I love a math joke.
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I could get away with ten contempt of court charges and not go to jail. /s
“threatens” lmao ok let me know when you’re actually gonna do something
The judge should shut up and let actions speak. Pussy judge.
Still loads for me. Try a different client.
Image sharing on lemmy is a shitshow. I don’t know what to say ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Edit: you’re on iOS, so I recommend that you have at least Voyager and Mlem. Each have their pros and cons. Mlem used to me my go-to, but now it’s Voyager until Mlem can catch up with some much-needed feature updates.
Meanwhile every other person:
gets shot for not following an officer’s orders in .5 seconds
Or shot for following orders from one officer because another officer didn’t know what the first officer told you to do
Or even the same guy – Remember Daniel Shaver? https://www.aclu.org/news/criminal-law-reform/youre-fucked-acquittal-officer-brailsford-and
Fuck wish I hadn’t
RIP Daniel, should never happen to anyone
Or they’re the same officer with an engraving on their personal rifle they use for work
I agree this is two-tired bullshit, but it’s exactly what needs to happen. At the first arraignment, Merchan fined the state maximum. At the second, he fined the state maximum and threatened jail time for a future infraction, after declaring his disinterest in jailing a former President. This is how a smart judge protects his rulings from mistrial appeal, which is exactly what the defense would do under even a hint of bias. Merchan wants everything to stick, just as we all do.
Yes, but- A. Trump is white, B. Trump is rich, C. Cops are MAGA assholes.
What happened to the “3 strikes and you’re out”?
Next would be the actual third strike. This was the second finding of contempt.
Nice. I got contempt of court once and spent the weekend in jail. No ifs ands or buts about it. Judge wouldn’t even let me hand my house keys to my partner. Lol
What a fucking joke.
The judge doesn’t want to give Trump’s team any ammunition for an appeal. I realize it’s absurd, but if he’s thrown in jail without significant warning then they’ll argue it biased the already liberal jury (cause NYC) against him too much.
(I am not a lawyer, that’s just my understanding.)
Hitler got a slap on the wrist because the judge was sympathetic. Same story here.
The judge doesn’t want to give Trump’s team any ammunition for an appeal.
If you believe this shit, you’re fooling yourself. Guy’s gotten ten warnings when any off-the-street plaintiff would be lucky to get one. Not only will there be ammo for appeal, Merchan is building precedent of untouchability. My man is straight up announcing
The last thing I want to do is put you in jail.
I-fucking-magine this getting said during any other trial. How much more biased can a judge get?
Guy’s gotten ten warnings
Playing Devil’s Advocate here, but nine of those were all reviewed at the same time, and while the decision to group them all together and issue a final warning was pending, the tenth violation was committed. Technically, and this is a really big fuckin’ technically, he has not committed any violations since being put “on notice” that the monetary punishments are over and the jail time would start. They decided on one today that occurred before that decision, so they’re not holding it to the same standard.
I do believe the next violation will carry jail time, without a doubt. Trump has also mostly shut up since being put on notice as well because he doesn’t want to be put in a cell any more than you or I do.
But it is extremely, maddeningly frustrating that Trump has gotten away with it so far. The Judge’s decision today proves beyond a doubt that the law is not being equally applied in favor of Trump himself.
Honestly, I don’t know if I could be an impartial judge in this case, because knowing Trump I would have warned him the very second he stepped foot in the courtroom that he was already on notice and that he should expect jail time if even a single word escaped his mouth that is in violation of the gag order that was already in place. Maybe Judge Merchan is more magnanimous, more cool-headed, or simply too wary of the blowback from applying the law equally with a megalomaniac like Trump who has an army of idiots at his back. I don’t know. All I know is, I don’t think he’s out of line just yet, but hearing statements like “I don’t want to put you in jail” for a guy who is too rich for fines to have an impact on is not reassuring.
I think you’re missing the forest for the trees here, check out some of the other comments here, it’s more complicated and nuanced than that IMO
The judge doesn’t want to give Trump’s team any ammunition for an appeal.
It’s still treating Trump different than most. If it’s such a problem to put Trump in jail, why isn’t it for any random person?
It’s still treating Trump different than most.
Of course it is.
If it’s such a problem to put Trump in jail, why isn’t it for any random person?
Because he is a former president of the United States who is currently running for re-election. This situation is unique in American history. As much as we may dislike these facts, they are true. The judge is in uncharted waters here, and needs to be careful to avoid anything that can be construed as evidence of bias against the defendant. This trial will be under scrutiny for as long as we have a country.
It’s not fair that most defendants do not have the essentially limitless resources of the entire conservative political machine at their disposal to pay for their legal woes, but it is the reality of the situation.
The judge is in uncharted waters here, and needs to be careful to avoid anything that can be construed as evidence of bias against the defendant.
And in so doing, hold a bias for the asshole.
The judge is biased on the side of Justice. Getting the case thrown out out of principle wouldn’t help anyone but Trump.
That’s bullshit and you know it.
There are established rules and procedures. When you fudge them on one side, to avoid appearing biased to the other….
That is itself bias. against your “side of justice”.
This judge is afraid of Trump; and in his fear making a mockery of justice. You know it, I know it, and Trump knows it. Even the judge knows it.
Yeah so let’s treat him the same way as anyone else so he can use that as an excuse to stop the procedure against him, that will sure show him!
Of all the cases where people want the judge to treat the accused the same way they would be treated in order to prove a point, this is probably the worst one.
And in so doing, hold a bias for the asshole.
Criminal court is intended to be biased towards the defendant. Hence the “beyond a reasonable doubt” burden of proof.
(Obviously that bias is often not upheld properly, and plenty of people are railroaded by the system into unjust convictions.)
The court itself might be, but the judge isn’t supposed to be.
They have procedures and guidelines, for everything involved here. Procedures and guidelines that aren’t supposed to take “ex president” into account.
Judges aren’t supposed to allow anyone to intimidate, threaten or otherwise manipulate the witnesses or jury.
Remember- the people of NY are one of the parties; and all parties are entitled to a fair trial.
I would make a terrible judge, because I don’t see how this is uncharted territory. Sure, it’s unprecedented, but that doesn’t mean we don’t know what to do.
Our entire government is made up of citizens, that was the whole point in fighting a war to get rid of an unjust monarchy, ruling from afar.
Trump is a citizen, if he broke the law he needs to go to jail. If he breaks the law during the trial, he should receive the same punishment as any other citizen would. Doing anything else just means we have a 2 tier justice system.
The fact that he has fucked up 10 times and is still a free man is ridiculous. All the judge has done is show trump that he can do whatever he wants and face no repercussions. If you did something 10 times, and then someone gets mad the 11th, you wouldn’t say “sorry my bad” you’d say “why are you mad, I do this all the time”
This country is a joke
The stakes are genuinely higher for the court (and the nation) than in your average trial. Gotta be careful.
without significant warning
I think 11 contempt charges represents 10 more “significant warnings” than anyone else would get.
I legitimate appeals court would accept trumps argument and illegitimate courts aren’t going to care and just side with Trump anyhow.
This isn’t for appeals… it’s for mass consumption; and it’s a massive miscarriage of justice.
100 hours of trash pickup per violation
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