Companion article here: https://boilingsteam.com/distro-for-gaming-cachy-os-takes-over/ Video for the performance comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DT2Z5QY8mE
  • who@feddit.orgEnglish
    60·
    2 months ago

    CachyOS claims performance improvement by compiling its packages with CPU-family-specific optimizations. Okay, but most games are not CPU bound, and even those that are mostly spend their CPU time in game code, not distro package-provided code.

    CachyOS claims interactivity improvement by using the BORE scheduler. Okay, but that’s unlikely to help games unless you’re running other tasks that compete for CPU time while you play.

    So for most gamers, I wouldn’t expect CachyOS to offer much improvement in either area.

    • hornedfiend@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      15·
      2 months ago

      This is the one true CachyOS description. The distro has been gaining so much traction based on naive interpretations of what performance is.

      It’s not a bad distro, but its advantages are minimal over others. Whatever linux people pick, it will be fine.

    • dil@piefed.zipEnglish
      6·
      2 months ago

      It was the easiest experience I had installing and setting up different des/bootloaders to test out as a newcomer to linux. It has hella options. The wiki is also really nice and easy to use. And gaming wise, the useful part is all the packages it installs that i didn’t know about and the documentation on the wiki related to it.

      • dil@piefed.zipEnglish
        1·
        2 months ago

        plus the plasma de in the usb immediately made me feel like i wanted to swap to linux just playing with it

      • dil@piefed.zipEnglish
        1·
        2 months ago

        While everything just works, I did have to switch to lts kernel because of freezing, this freezing also occured on endeavour and mint tho.

    • Tundra@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      72·
      2 months ago

      seems to be specific games, kingdom come deliverance (the original) stuttered & hitched badly on other distros, but cachy was 👌

      • who@feddit.orgEnglish
        71·
        2 months ago

        If you post your system specs and the distros that had that problem, it might help someone else who runs into the same thing. Or it might even hint at a cause more specific than “wasn’t running CachyOS”.

        • Railcar8095@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          2 months ago

          If it works and the user is happy, why not Judy go with it? Surely with a ton or research you can find why it works better on cachy and with much not time you can try to replicate on a different distro the myriad of things that can be, and then spend time making sure nothing breaks.

          Or, hear me out, you can just play the game you wanted to play on the fist place.

          I’m using Bazzite because it’s the first distro where gaming wise everything just works. Only had to fight with the printer/scanner. I wanted to use other OS, but seriously, I also want to play and use my time doing something other than solving problems I’ve created.

          If catchy is a batteries included distro that people can use, even if their performance gains are questionable, let them. There’s no shame on that.

          • who@feddit.orgEnglish
            5·
            2 months ago

            If it works and the user is happy, why not Judy go with it?

            There’s nothing wrong with Judy using a distro that works well for her. ;)

            There’s also nothing wrong with sharing information so others can learn, identify patterns, and perhaps find something that works better for them.

    • arality@programming.devEnglish
      4·
      2 months ago

      Everything you say is spot on. I’ve chased the tail of the dragon in search of performance gentoo, custom kernels, over clocking, etc. The defaults are 99.99% that other .01 just isn’t worth the effort.

  • Dataprolet@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    31·
    2 months ago

    I don’t get it, CachyOS is probably improving performance in the low single digit percentages. Why are people so crazy about it?

    • kewjo@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      2 months ago

      flapak when i was using it on arch always had issues getting gamescope to run as the flapak version doesn’t match the version in steam. with wine adopting support for native Wayland and improvements to Vulcan layers i think flapak version may start to get more popular. but for now the main limiter is, “do i need gamescope to play?”

      • ElectroLisa@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        4·
        2 months ago

        If I’m not mistaken the Gamescope issue in Flatpak is not caused by Arch but the Flatpak itself and how it isolates files, making games escape the Gamescope session

        • kewjo@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          2 months ago

          yeah the flatpak version of gamescope is the latest version which is meant more to be used in something like lutris or directly with wine. my understanding is a bit hazy on the issue but i think flatpak steam or the Vulcan layers required a specific version or you get something about compatibility and the game would still launch but disable gamescope.

          i think the workaround was to install gamescope through pacman and then configure steam to be able to access it.

    • ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zipEnglish
      2·
      2 months ago

      Imagine having a 40% market share and losing it all. Honestly, it’s kind of incredible how far Ubuntu has fallen. Hopefully it serves as a lesson for anyone thinking about alienating their users.

    • vividspecter@aussie.zoneEnglish
      2·
      2 months ago

      The sandboxing sometimes breaks applications or requires additional configuration. And I don’t like that it’s a separate thing I need to maintain, although some package managers pair main package updates etc together.

      And as a NixOS user, I prefer to use nix to handle as much of my system as possible, although flatpak at least is useful as a fallback in a pinch. Of course, this is a niche within a niche and mainstream users, particularly those using immutable distros can and do benefit from flatpak.

  • Norah (pup/it/she)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    11·
    2 months ago

    Despite the changes around them, both Nobara and Bazzite seem to keep hanging on at a stable share, close to 5% each. However it seems that both have stopped growing at that point and may be stuck at the current threshold. I’m not sure there is however much future when it comes to Bazzite, since SteamOS will eventually be rolling out to more and more devices out there. I guess it depends how much Valve does in terms of hardware support, and if Bazzite provide tangible benefits on top what Valve delivers.

    I mean, Nobara is definitely steady or losing some of its share but Bazzite has only ever continued to gain, even if a bit slower now. As far as if it has benefits over SteamOS, well the Steam Deck is the largest percentage of Bazzite users by far, so it’s clearly offering something that Valve isn’t. I’d say that it’s a lot simpler OOTB to set up other store’s games with Lutris included.

    • janNatan@lemmy.mlEnglish
      11·
      2 months ago

      Plus, Bazzite doesn’t have the same hardware requirements. I have a handheld device that can’t install SteamOS because of an incompatible hard drive, but Bazzite works just fine.

      • Norah (pup/it/she)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        3·
        2 months ago

        Yeah, it does seem to be a lot less picky. I’m genuinely surprised we haven’t seen OEMs like Ayaneo, GPD or MSI jump on it for their lower end devices.

      • Norah (pup/it/she)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        1·
        2 months ago

        Isn’t Cachy not immutable? Also the graph from this article seems to show Cachy was released first. Bazzite pawbably does have better marketing though but eh? It’s not like they’re selling anything, it’s all still FOSS, so I don’t see that as a big negative as long as it does what it says on the tin.

  • driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.brEnglish
    10·
    2 months ago

    I tried CatchyOS for a HTPC and really liked the UX, but can’t remember what happened with it, something broke or couldn’t do something, and settled for Bazzite and it’s have been working good so far.

  • Defaced@lemmy.worldEnglish
    91·
    2 months ago

    Love cachyOS, I don’t pay much attention to the claimed performance improvements. I just think it has some really good defaults and in-house tools for beginners that make navigating an Arch distro easier.

  • randomaside@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    8·
    2 months ago

    I’m genuinely happy to see people trying out new stuff! I like seeing all the new approaches every distro takes, understanding real use cases, making interesting design decisions at each turn.

    This is what it used to be like to be a PC enthusiast and I think it’s great to see computing become personal again.

    Now CachyOS I’ve been following for a while and it seems much closer to something like endeavor which is still prone to all the potential issues I’ve experienced before. I’ve moved to ublue Bazzite and bluefin recently because the out of box experience is amazing and updates are pretty much immaculate.

    I still don’t understand what Cachy does in its kernel optimization and BORE scheduler properly but I’d love to learn and understand.

    Either way, I_see_this_as_an_absolute_win.gif

    • Comexs@lemmy.zipEnglish
      1·
      2 months ago

      First before the results, the usual disclaimer, as this data comes from ‘ProtonDB’:

  • coke38@lemmy.worldEnglish
    6·
    2 months ago

    Funny that I see an article about CachyOS, i just installed it this morning because of some trouble with an RX 9060 XT that I couldn’t get it to work with kubuntu. It just worked out of the box with CachyOS. I know it would probably have worked with other distro but still…

    • Auth@lemmy.worldEnglish
      7·
      2 months ago

      That is likely due to the RX9000 lineup needing the newer kernel for driver support. Kubuntu maybe didnt ship that 6.14 kernel at the time. Cachy is the best for new hardware because they have great tools for switching kernels and patching everything up to the bleeding edge. They make it easy to grab the latest kernel, mesa, nvidia driver or whatever you need for new hardware.

  • WereCat@lemmy.worldEnglish
    6·
    2 months ago

    Gave CachyOS a try over weekend and I’m back to Fedora. It’s not really appealing to me at all but I can see why people like it.

  • yardratianSoma@lemmy.caEnglish
    51·
    2 months ago

    glad more people are using Arch-based distros! I finally installed arch (btw) without the archinstall script, and I must say, the more people that can potentially feel the sense of accomplishment that I felt when I got my display manager and window manager set up the way I wanted, the better!

  • itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.mlEnglish
    21·
    2 months ago

    I didn’t know Pop_OS was no longer being updated. I know I’ve had recent updates though. Perhaps I should switch distros.

    • pcn@lemmy.worldEnglish
      9·
      2 months ago

      The work on cosmic is proceeding and as far as I know when cosmic is done, 24.04 will be released. In the mean time 22.04 still gets updates.

    • Lazhward@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      2 months ago

      It’s being updated, just not being changed constantly I guess? I dunno, I think it’s kinda nice.