He’s really gone of the deep end. I mean, he’s always been a bit all over the place, esp wrt to Trump, but wow…
This really isn’t all that different from his old friend and former presidential candidate John McCain (dodged a bullet there), singing ‘Bomb Iran’ to the tune of the Beach Boys’ ‘Barbara Ann.’
I’m pretty sure that McCain was referencing this 1980 spoof:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vince_Vance_%26_the_Valiants
Yeah, the Wiki page says so too:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bomb_Iran
“Bomb Iran” (or “Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran”) is the name of several parodies of the Regents’ 1961 song “Barbara Ann”, originally written by Fred Fassert and popularized in a “party” cover version by the Beach Boys in 1965. The most popular of the parodies was recorded by Vince Vance & the Valiants in 1980. “Bomb Iran” gained a resurgence in notoriety in 2007 during John McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign.
I’m not sure why that makes a difference.
Team Trump obviously has the goods on Lindsey. There is literally no other good explanation.
I think Graham is just a sleazy politician and knows it will give him more clout. Republicans who have taken a stand against Trump have mostly ended their careers; it’s been a surprising amount of courage from some individuals I didn’t think were capable.
Lindsey Graham doesn’t have brain worms, he is the brain worm.
https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/727604522156228608?lang=en
If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed…and we will deserve it. 5:03 PM · May 3, 2016
Yep. And he was plenty eager to flop like the spineless worm he is when the time came.
This really isn’t off the deep end for him. He’s said atrocious things for decades.
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Counter-counterproposal: Let’s drop Lindsey on Gaza
Why would they want him?
My man, read the fucking room
That’s the scary part… If you have been following the Republican Party recently, you’ll realize that he is reading the room.
What’s his stance on puppy-murder?
Being a sociopath is apparently a positive trait for these sick fucks.
He’s staunchly against it.
Until Trump picks Noem as his VP, then he’ll tell you that it’s no big deal and it’s just simple farm livin’.
Dude is illiterate regardless of the room he’s in.
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Nope. Japan was pretty much done with the war before the U.S. decided to use them as lab rats to their nuclear bomb experiment. They were itching to use said technology with no regard to innocent lives.
Not just lab rats for the experiment, but examples to show the Russians what could happen if they decided to try something in Europe.
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https://www.osti.gov/opennet/manhattan-project-history/Events/1945/surrender.htm
Prior to the atomic attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, elements existed within the Japanese government that were trying to find a way to end the war. In June and July 1945, Japan attempted to enlist the help of the Soviet Union to serve as an intermediary in negotiations. No direct communication occurred with the United States about peace talks, but American leaders knew of these maneuvers because the United States for a long time had been intercepting and decoding many internal Japanese diplomatic communications. From these intercepts, the United States learned that some within the Japanese government advocated outright surrender. A few diplomats overseas cabled home to urge just that.
If the bomb had not been used, more people would have died.
At best, there is no way to be sure of that, and at worst, it is outright false:
"Indeed, as early as 1946 the U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey, in its report Japan’s Struggle to End the War, concluded that “certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered…”
https://www.jstor.org/stable/1149003
https://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/ahf/history/debate-over-japanese-surrender/
Regardless, killing people indiscriminately is and always will be wrong.
There’s also the fact that there were no warnings. I’ve read some potentially conflicting accounts, but the consensus seems to be that there were no warning pamphlets dropped on Hiroshima ahead of the nuclear blast. At best, there may have been leaflets dropped that included Hiroshima amongst a list of 35 Japanese cities that could be the target of a bombing. At that time, the level of destructive capabilities were unheard of, so even seeing those leaflets, the thoughts citizens may have had is that there would be some firebombing. Destruction and death could be expected, but nothing like the complete obliteration that actually happened.
The use of atomic weapons was a demonstration of US destructive capabilities. They were a warning built of indiscriminate evil that saught only to strike fear into the eyes of anyone who would dare attack the US.
The use of atomic weapons may have legitimately reduced the number of American casualties, but I’m with you. It’s impossible to know whether lives were saved beyond those of American soldiers. Many civilians perished on those days, and that is not something to be celebrated.
https://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/ahf/key-documents/warning-leaflets/
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Japan knew for a long time that they were going to lose and have not decided to surrender.
Tough shit. That doesn’t justify the killing of civilians.
Those 2 bombs definitely helped them with the decision.
This is a bad take given the evidence.
But fighting soldiers versus fighting civilians is completely different, isn’t it? Isn’t that why we’re not really cool with the conflict in Gaza?
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Why is the answer always more murder?
Her congrats Lindsey, you figured out the path to peace that I thought was a good idea (briefly) when I was a stupid teenager.
Hint: the idea of stupid and you’re stupid.
The senator continued to call the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki “the right decision” by the U.S. That decision ended the war with Japan, but killed hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians between the initial blasts and the deadly radiation that followed.
“Give Israel the bombs they need to end the war they can’t afford to lose, and work with them to minimize casualties,” Graham insisted.
He didn’t directly suggest nuking Gaza, but he made multiple parallels between ending the war in Japan by using nukes and then basically says we should give bombs to Israel to finish the job without specifying what he means.
So while someone might argue black and white letter of what he said isn’t “nuke Gaza”, he’s still implying something along those lines - the quick finish and a method that can do it.
He is, in fact, saying “nuke Gaza”, just in a way that allows him to deny it.
So she infact did not suggest nuking Gaza.
Why is media like this? Someone says something stupid and then they lie about it claiming they said something even more stupid. How am I supposed to take these articles seriously? What else do you lie about?
He did not say the specific words “We should nuke Gaza,” but for anyone to read the article or watch the interview and not understand that is exactly what he is suggesting… That person would have to be an utter moron or be arguing in bad faith.
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Takes quite a bit of mental acrobatics if that’s the conclusion one pulls out from that. That’s motivated reasoning and partisan thinking. I seriously doubt even he is dumb enough to suggest for someone to use nuclear weapons literally on their back yard. That doesn’t make any sense. What he said is stupid as it is. No need to start making shit up.
About every reply here is taking the headline at face value. Imagine that.
She? Lindsey is a dude.
Oh. Sorry about that. This is how much I pay attention to American politics.
So he infact is an old man, not a she.
Why are Israeli trolls like this? Someone points out something stupid genocidal Israeli supporters said and then when people get outraged, they pretend they didn’t say it.
How am I supposed to take these Israeli trolls seriously?
Why is it ok for America to drop two nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki to end their existential threat war, why was it ok for us to do that? I thought it was ok. So Israel, do whatever you have to do to survive as a Jewish state.
The journalist didn’t even mention nuclear bombs, Senator Graham brought it up themselves and then suggested it would be ‘ok’ to nuke Gaza if it ends the conflict. Yeah, the article is shit, it’s The Daily Beast… watch the actual interview.
It’s crazy to me that to this day Americans still pat themselves on the back about nuking entire cities filled with children, by using the completely fictional and hypothetical propaganda pushed by the government since they did it. “there would have been more death if we hadn’t”
It’s not really propaganda, the Japanese lost their navy and air force. They were basically prepping for Armageddon and they got it, just not how they planned… with fewer US service men dying.
It’s sad but they FAFO.
We killed cities full of children so our soldiers wouldn’t have to fight their soldiers. Why didn’t anyone think of that before? Kill the women and children. It’s easier, they don’t fight back, and if you kill enough of them, their soldiers will surrender just to stop the slaughter. Brilliant!
This is a breakdown with the timeline of events showing that it probably wasn’t necessary and didn’t save more lives. You yourself just said they lost their military forces so how were they a threat? Japanese surrender was inevitable, nuclear force on civilian targets is never justifiable.
entire cities filled with children
Matt Gaetz is moving there immediately!
Back in 2017 or so, I had a full on MAGA coworker who was ecstatic about the migrant detention centers at the border. If anything, he felt we weren’t torturing them enough. One day, he dropped a line that was so heinous it still sticks with me to this day: “we used to do the same to the Japanese and no one cared about it then, so why is everyone up in arms about it now?”
All this to say I’m not at all surprised they’re saying this now. They’ve always felt this way, and they know how despicable it is.
Fwiw, the dude was a 50-something year old Israeli immigrant. He also joked about wanting to join the military to “practice on live targets”
I hate this timeline so much
Your coworker has serious mental health issues. I hate the party but I also hate that our mental health system won’t address the negative impact religion plays in forming negative views and that our laws prevent therapists and those in mental health from doing their actual jobs.
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What’d you say back to him or do?
I knew better than to engage. The guy was a nutter. He got laid off shortly after that thankfully.
Bonus story about this fucker. When I adopted a dog, he told me that “in five years you won’t give a shit about the dog and will only care about your boyfriend”. Eight years later, my girlfriend and I co-parent the same dog like she’s our daughter.
Not to defend the viewpoint, but I assume he was referring to interment camps and not nuclear bombing. That would be more analogous to the border detentions.
“we used to do the same to the Japanese and no one cared about it then, so why is everyone up in arms about it now?”
One of the many shameful moments of American history conveniently left out of grade school history classes.
This was definitely mentioned multiple tribes even i was in school.
Nuke Jerusalem; piss off everyone. It’s the only truly even-handed action.
Hit Mecca, Medina, and Haifa as well to really piss off all the Abrahamic religions.
And Rome to piss off the pastafarians (and Catholics some more too)
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I wasn’t aware vaporizing thousands of years of human history would be “nothing of value” being lost.
Which is also to say nothing of value being lost when the people who still live in those historic cities are also vaporized.
Lemmy really goes full “cut off your nose to spite your face” if they find out that face might be even slightly associated with religion
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Jokes are typically supposed to be at least somewhat funny.
Couldn’t ask for a better positioning of titles.
In case you’re wondering, these religious freaks believe that they can force Jesus to return by instigating WW3. So long as Israel is involved, they consider that to be fulfilling prophecy; and the nuclear, the better. I’m sure some of them even consider Trump to be the actual Antichrist, while as usual, most of them think it’s whoever the Democrats have in office.
its also stupid because old country of Israel is gone and making a new colony and calling Israel also isn’t fulfilling a prophecy - its cosplaying. Might as well call your dog “Israel” and say it fulfills the prophecy
Gaza should not be nuked.
Gaza should not be nuked.
I’ll even be so bold as to say nobody should be nuked.
Wow I can’t believe mods let antisemitism like this go unchecked!!
When his male lover is revealed, it will be a glorious day.
It’ll never happen. He’s doing exactly what they want gay people to do, being “decently” quiet about it.
what exactly will be glorious about that in your mind?
Hypocrisy.
when has that ever mattered to a republican?
