Want to wade into the snowy surf of the abyss? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid.
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The post Xitter web has spawned so many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this. Also, hope you had a wonderful Valentine’s Day!)
like everyone I’m schadenfreuding at the reveal that Amazon outages are due to vibe coding after all. but my bully laughing isn’t that loud because what I am thinking of is when Musk bought Twitter and fired 3/4 of the workforce.
because like, a lot of us predicted total catastrophic collapse but that didn’t actually happen. what happened is that major outages that used to be rare now happen every so often, and “micro-outages” like not loading notifications or something happen all the time, and there’s no moderation, and everything takes longer etc. and all of that is just accepted as the new normal.
like, I remember waiting for images to load on dialup, we can get used to almost anything. I’m expecting slopified software to significantly degrade stability, performance, security etc. across the board, and additionally tie up a large part of human labour in cleaning up after the bots (like a large part of the remaining X workforce now spends all day putting out fires), but instead of a cathartic moment of being proved right that LLM code sucks, the degraded quality of service is just accepted as new normal and a few years down the road nobody ever remembers that once upon a time we had almost eradicated sql injections.
SQL Injections 🤝 Measles => Big Comeback Stories
Tante.cc writes about Cory using an ‘Drunk Uncle’ style argument to defend his LLM usage (and go after the left using strawmans).
(To counter one of Cory’s arguments, If disliking LLMs was just about the people who run it, people against it would have have stayed in sneerclub).
That was a good read.
It’s not “unethical” to scrape the web in order to create and analyze data-sets. That’s just “a search engine”
Equivocating what LLMs do and what goes into LLM web scraping with “a search engine” is messed up. His article that he links about scraping is mostly about how badly copyright works and how analysing trade-secret-walled data can be beneficial both to consumers and science but occasionally bad for citizen privacy, which you’ll recognize as mostly irrelevant to the concerns people tend to have against LLM training data providers ddosing the fuck out of everything, and all the rest of the stuff tante does a good job of explaining.
Corey also provides this anecdote:
As a group of human-rights defending forensic statisticians, HRDAG has always relied on cutting edge mathematics in its analysis. With its Colombia project, HRDAG used a large language model to assign probabilities for responsibility for each killing documented in the databases it analyzed.
That is, HRDAG was able to rigorously and legibly say, “This killing has an X% probability of having been carried out by a right-wing militia, a Y% probability of having been carried out by the FARC, and a Z% probability of being unrelated to the civil war.”
The use of large language models — produced from vast corpuses of scraped data — to produce accurate, thorough and comprehensible accounts of the hidden crimes that accompany war and conflict is still in its infancy. But already, these techniques are changing the way we hold criminals to account and bring justice to their victims.
Scraping to make large language models is good, actually.
what the actual shit
edit: I mean, he tried transformer powered voice-to-text and liked it, and now he’s all in on the LLMs are a rigorous and accurate tool actually bandwagon?
Also the web scraping article is from 2023 but CD linked it in the recent pluralistic post so I assume his views haven’t changed.
This one hurts. Maybe CD can be brought back around but oof.
as someone from a colonial country that never got the chance partake on the wealth of fossil fuel society but will take the brunt of its consequences as rich countries continue to burn carbon, what LLMs taught me is that “energy waste by the First World fucks up the Third, even more” does not even register as an ethical argument to the First World. like, it’s some sort of purity argument not even worth considering, an extremist position of arguing abstractions and future hypotheticals, rather than, say, 478 cities in my country flooding with abnormal weather two years ago etc.
saw a family member today for the first time in three years. they immediately told me “with your background bro you should just go work in AI and get super rich.”
told them that the ai shit doesn’t work and that everything involving LLMs is downright unethical. they respond
“i had a boss that gave me the best advice: you can either be right or you can be rich.”
recently, i saw someone use the phrase “got my bag nihilism” and i feel it really captures the moment. i just don’t understand how people can engage in this kind of behavior and even live with themselves, let alone ooze pride. it’s repulsive.
(family member later outright admitted that his job is basically selling things to companies that they don’t need.)
I unfortunately do understand. I think there are severe tradeoffs between living a good life and living a virtuous life. Most people usually compromise to lesser or greater degree and find ways to cope with that. Nihilism is one way.
To be fair it is really, really mentally taxing to be a young person who cares. You’re surrounded by a world that doesn’t. Everything is constructed to reward you if you simply stop. The effort to care is immense and the rewards are meager. The impact you can have on the world is so, so limited by your wealth, and wealth comes so, so easy if you just stop caring.
But you can’t. I mean, you can’t. If you stopped you wouldn’t be you anymore, it would destroy your soul. But it is gnawing. You could do the grift just for a bit. Save up $10k, maybe $20k. That’s life-changing money. How much good would it do to your family? Maybe you can forget that there are other families, ones you can’t see, that would be hurt. Well no. You can’t. You are better than that. And for that you will suffer.
i don’t think of myself as a young person (i’m closer to 40 than 30), but i agree with the sentiment. i often worry that it’s just don quixote energy and the windmills aren’t going to thank me when i’m in the ground with work experience that employers look at and scoff. 🤷
A worldview where one’s worth is measured by the balance in their bank account makes it really easy to flatten out morality.
Do you want Tylers Durden? Because this is how you get Tylers Durden.
OpenSlopware documents FOSS that sold out to LLMs. is there an opposite of it, a hall of fame to list software that has unambiguously and vocally rejected LLM code like the Zig programming language?
How AI slop is causing a crisis in computer science | Nature h/t naked capitalism
One reason for the boom is that LLM adoption has increased researcher productivity, by as much as 89.3%, according to research published in Science in December.
Let’s not call it “productivity” - to quote Bergstrom, twice as many papers is not the same as twice as much science.
There was an underlying tension with an academia, and a society, that takes “productivity” by itself as an end goal, and the autogenerators are just the logical conclusion/extreme form of that. The tiny part of of me that can still be optimistic hopes that this leads to a real good reexamination of what academia (and society) is even for.
Goodhart’s law in action.
Since the advent of ChatGPT in November 2022, the number of monthly submissions to the arXiv preprint repository has risen by more than 50% and the number of articles rejected each month has risen fivefold to more than 2,400 (see ‘Rejection rates climb’).
If I’m interpreting this right then the growth in the number of rejections is wildly outpacing the growth in submissions, which means not only are we getting a tsunami of slop but that the bad papers are actively chasing away good ones.
Also your paper has to be truly irredeemable dogshit to get rejected from arxiv. Like you can post proofs of P=NP as long as it sounds kinda coherent. 2400 monthly rejections is absurd.
Quick TL;DR of my Discord Age Verification Experience™:
Using my face multiple times didn’t work due to the AV shitting itself inside out, but setting my DOB via Family Center somehow did it
Absolute fucking clown fiesta, Jesus Christ
WD and Seagate confirm: Hard drives for 2026 sold out (because the AI datacentres have stolen them all)
idk if the bubble will pop or slowly deflate, but im certain that in 10 years we’ll look back at 2020s as the decade where tech stopped progressing in the way we know it - since we’re diverting all our resources to ai, there’s no longer any room left for anything else to grow
the 2010s crypto gpu shortage was the warning siren for this. it really hampered the growth of gpus because they permanently became so much more expensive - now the same is happening to memory, storage, and…well, gpus again! we’ve reached the point of reverse progress
2020s as the decade where tech stopped progressing in the way we know it
I mean, sure, but I think the underlying cause here is the end of Moore’s law and exponential growth of potential userbases as the world becomes fully connected. The Enshittocene can be viewed as a consequence of capital’s attempts to continue exponential growth while the fundamentals are no longer capable of sustaining it.
Indeed, fifteen years ago, Thailand had a horrific tsunami-induced flood displacing millions of people, and:
Thailand is the world’s second-largest producer of hard disk drives, supplying approximately 25 percent of the world’s production. Many of the factories that made hard disk drives were flooded, including Western Digital’s, leading some industry analysts to predict future worldwide shortages of hard disk drives. … As a result, most hard disk drive prices almost doubled globally, which took approximately two years to recover. Due to the price increase, Western Digital reported a 31 percent revenue increase and a more than doubled profit for fiscal year 2012.
As you say, we are no longer earning Moore’s Dividend and there is no longer opportunity in laying dark fiber for somebody else to rent or offering Facebook-only phones to reach the next billion users.
womp, and wait for it, womp
This was not such an effective venture.
Rip the stately home.
I mean it’s presumably still standing, just with a slightly cheaper set of owners ;)
nasb, video from a climate scientist going over the claims by promptfondler ceos
Good news, everyone’s favorite emacs is using AI now: https://www.vim.org/vim-9.2-released.php
@antifuchs s/is using AI/is being used for AI/g
There’s a big difference!can somebody tell me whether neovim is selling out to LLMs or led by transphobes or getting money from Anduril or something, so I decide whether to switch before getting disappointed again
somebody did show me neovim’s AI-assisted PR tag. nice, I can get disappointed all in one go instead of once per day
I poked around to see how far gone my main text editor is. They’re not about to join the Butlerian Jihad, but I think I can live with it.
We don’t care how you wrote the code, but we do care that you fully(!) understand it and how it solves the underlying issue. LLM coding assistants can help with tedious routine and investigation (such as constructing test cases), but they are not a replacement for understanding the problem as well as the code you touch. (Nvim’s codebase is full of… let’s say “history”, and generic models tend to do quite poorly here.)
What is not OK is to copy-paste responses from the LLM as your comments. We don’t want to play a game of telephone with the LLM (if it was smart enough to solve the problem, we would be doing that ourselves).
Except in special circumstances (and with explicit notes), all your comments and descriptions must be written by you yourself. (Use a translation tool if you must, but don’t let someone else put words in your mouth.)
Contributor actually was bullied into closing his PR, but maintainers reopened and merged it, as the change was fine apparently. Lol
disapointamaxxing
@antifuchs @techtakes Oh goodie they enshittified vim IS NOTHING SACRED?!? HAVE WE LIVED AND FOUGHT IN VAIN?!?!?
It looks more like they used an LLM (Copilot) to construct programs using the new features in the language.
So more “hop on the bandwagon using LLMs to advertise” rather than “we used LLMs to develop”
OTOH “these new features are so advanced you need AI to use them” is a bit of a weird sell
it has to be said, a runtime CVE in vim would be pretty embarrassing
AI Jobs Apocalypse is Here | UnHerd h/t naked capitalism
feels a bit critihype, idk
So, what happens to American politics when the script is flipped, and we enter a new era of white-collar precarity? We can look back to the recent past and recall that, after the 2008 recession, it was young men who got especially angry. Downwardly mobile urban millennials drifted toward radical Left-wing politics, including the Occupy Wall Street movement and both Sanders campaigns, myself included. In the current decade, the Gen-Z men shut out by elite institutions often join their grandfathers and turn toward MAGA, or worse, into Groypers. But an AI-driven white-collar apocalypse has no equivalent of the American Rescue Plan around the corner, and it will move faster through institutions because the people experiencing it — journalists, lawyers, policy staffers — are the ones who produce political legitimacy itself. When that class loses faith in the system’s stability, the political climate may quickly become volatile.
As I get older I am more and more disturbed by the selective memory of the GFC; no mention of the tea party or the fallout from the austerity measures they pushed in the middle of the country; no mention how the bailout saved banks not homes. The Tea Party won, not Occupy, and the current government is doing things beyond the Koch’s wildest dreams.
If and when there is a crash, these dumbass CEOs deserve /nothing/. Let them lose their vacation houses. And, maybe grow some balls and send the fraudsters to jail where they belong.
sigh
the Gen-Z men shut out by elite institutions often join their grandfathers and turn toward MAGA, or worse, into Groypers.
Iirc that is not as often true as people claim it is. But yeah, not gonna click unherd to see if they have a source. Because blergh unherd.
unherd is a fash publication. to me this comes across as an AI take-ified rewrite of a 1994 luttwak essay i read recently, an endorsement of a revival of italian style fascism: https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v16/n07/edward-luttwak/why-fascism-is-the-wave-of-the-future
One ray of sunshine: when the bubble pops, there will be quite a few “billionaires” who will become mere millionaires, and they will find that their friends in government and the media will suddenly be much less interested in being around them at all.
Edit: This reply belongs somewhere else. apologies!
Most expensive number 2 generator
Hey, at least it’s efficiently making number 2 on the side while spitting out user prompted number 2s.
Apparently this sort of machine learning training pitfall I learned about a decade go in an undergraduate level class that I was like halfway paying attention to in a party school is now evidence of the impending AI apocalypse.
Wow, that highlighting really emphasises the insidious, nefarious behaviour. This is only a hop, skip, and jump away from, what was it again? Rhomboid? Rheumatoid bactothefuture?
Rhomboid? Rheumatoid bactothefuture?
Doc Brown couldn’t get optimal flux dispersal across the surface of the time machine without the heavy biofilm coating. It’s not a fetish thing, people! Stop saying that!
diamondoid. None of the derivatives I can come up with sound anywhere near as dumb as the actual word.
Derpadoid Burpateria
rolls 1, 1
I behold the paperclip calculator, and tremble in fear
