TW: suicide???
An autopsy report seen by Newsweek showed Ge was found tied with a bedsheet, with linens around his wrists and ankles in what the report described as a “hog-tied” position. The medical examiner noted that there had been other reported incidents of people who had hung themselves having done something similar, and that there were no obvious defense wounds.
Am I missing something here? How does someone hogtie themselves and then hang themselves? How is this being considered a suicide? Am I on crazy pills?
It’s not uncommon in Russia for people to commit suicide with a couple gunshots to the head, and then jumping out the window.
hunting accident
Thankfully Dick Cheney can no longer enter the chat.
You hope
Consistently happens to my 6/6/6 heirs… right after comet sighted.
I understood this. Classic.
Yes, the police said he fell down an elevator shaft. Onto some bullets.
I use this quote all the time, and no one ever gets the reference. I understood that reference, stranger.
You dress in the manner of a male prostitute
When you can balance a tack hammer on your head, you can head off you foes with a balanced attack
ok. But why am I wearing watermelons on my feet?
I don’t remember telling you to do that
Could you link me up with any such case?
Turns out there’s a relevant Wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_Russia-related_deaths_since_2022
Which ones are “with a couple gunshots to the head, and then jumping out the window”? I don’t see them.
I think that guy might’ve been exaggerating lol
Well, I wanted to give them a chance to show that they’s not just making shit up, but what else could be expected when talking about Russia.
I mean falling out of a window and getting shot are pretty common on that list. And that list only starts in 2022 lol
there had been other reported incidents of people who had hung themselves having done something similar
nervous laughter What the fuck.
David B. Rankin, the family’s attorney, in a statement to Newsweek: “It is truly mystifying how any detention facility can let someone leave their room, create three nooses and then hang themselves without anyone knowing. What’s worse is the lack of mental health care which could have prevented this tragedy. Mr. Ge’s death represents a totally failure on the part of the GeoGroup and the DHS.”
Seems like everyone is playing along with the claim of suicide while trying to get the details from DHS/GeoGroup.
We are all on crazy pills on this glorious day.
That’s how it’s done in the United Soviet States of America.
Easy on the “United”.
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It’s the same sense that Epstein “committed suicide.”
A lot of people seem to “commit suicide” who were inconvenient to this Admin
The “nothing ever happens” crowd is doing their best to ensure that, while everything happens, you remain passively accepting of it.
We can round up people into death camps while our president has clearly raped children. Just as long as you keep going to work and “feeling crazy” thinking no one cares.
The place you won’t feel crazy is around other like minded people that ARE doing something. If you’re not working with a group like DSA, PSL, Mutual Aid groups, or hell, even your local anarchist group, you should be.
If you feel crazy it’s because you are for not doing anything. There is nothing crazy about what is happening to this country. It is textbook fascism mixed with the non action of liberals pretending to be the opposition to it. And that right now comes in the form of “pointing at bad thing” to give you a false sense of security in your inaction.
Even the comments here are filled with it. The doomerism that keeps us all from acting.
Shot himself in the head 4 times
I literally just copied the same exact passage intending to ask the same question here. I’m not understanding how this is feasible.
This is absolutely tragic, regardless of the answer. But… how is this even possible?
Ever heard of Occam’s razor?
Yes. I’ve also heard of Hanlons razor. Just because a philosophical concept exists doesn’t mean it’s universally applicable.
What about Gillette’s razor?
I used to apply it to everything, then I found out about safety’s razor
Smooooth…
Well, while we’re on the topic here… I’m way more okay with applying Occam’s razor than Hanlon’s in this particular circumstance.
Normally I’m the first to advocate for patience and generally assuming the best of people. So I really do wish that anything about this seemed like negligence or ignorance, but with this administration, all I can see is malicious intent.
I imagine there are legal issues with reporting anything other than the official cause of death that Newsweek don’t want to get into so they just laid everything out nice and factually so that readers can come to their own conclusion…
That’s not an excuse. If our news media isn’t brave enough to call a spade a spade they are nothing more than a tool for complacency. Which they are.
A free and independent media would not be afraid to point out that a suicide as an “official” cause of death here is bull shit. That’s not something covering their ass legally. I swear people don’t know how US lible laws work. Saying that is clear freedom of the press. And it’s really sad that we all started to pretend that the news medias job is just to repeat the words of the powerful.
Oh I know, wasn’t this on Sherlock Holmes? They stood on a giant block of ice. When the ice melted, they were fatally hanged and the evidence disappeared
Exactly what i came to say. How is that even possible?
Hush. Stop asking questions.
Put your head in the noose, tie your feet, tie your hands, probably using your mouth to pull the knot, and then do the drop. The reason for this would be to beat survival instinct.
Are there cases of suicide where this has happened outside of law enforcement custody?
It seems you need 3-5 feral hogs to help with some of the steps
I’ve got ehlers-danlos and I am experienced with self bondage. Tying my own hands behind my back is not easy for me, let alone the average person.
Yes, but it describes it as hog tied, which is your feet ti d to your hands behind your back. I don’t think I could hog tie myself, let alone hang myself after.
How do you tie your hands behind your back with your mouth? Especially when your neck is in a noose?
By using a slipknot. Ultimately it depends on the knots used and the order they were tied in, but it’s technically possible.
Is it probable or likely? Absolutely not.
Why is the media not questioning this?
Because they’re owned by the billionaires who support this
Why is there no billionaire who doesn’t support this?
No profit in being against it.
Because all billionaires are horrible people
complicit.
Dude even the family’s attorney said it was a suicide. How
If Trump doesn’t approve their mergers and acquisitions, they can’t maximize Shareholder Value.
ICE is a terrorist organization
Maybe they should call themselves ICES
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The American government has been terrorizing millions of innocent people for decades. This is the natural progression.
Does anyone have a list of all ICE detention facilities?
Not for any particular reason. Definitely not to see if anything can be done to free the victims.
Definitely not so that international efforts could help coordinate the rescue of the victims.
Speaking hypothetically, i think adresses of members would be more useful.
Problem I have with that, is that ICE personell can be replaced easier than ICE facilities.
If a 4 goon squad kicks in a door and 2 or 3 come out alive after meeting a 12 gauge, eventually they’re gonna have to try a lot harder to recruit.
Problem is, that tipping point means immediate bloodshed all over. I honestly don’t know of any other way to beat a Nazi than with a bullet to the head.
Oh, there’s a lot of ways to beat Nazis without bullets to the head. Bullets to major organs and vessels will do it. Fire is pretty effective, more so if you use thermite (I fucking love thermite). Carbon monoxide, compressed nitrogen, chlorine gas.
Rapid percussive force. Blood loss in general. A baseball bat. Hell the katana you’ve been saving for situations like this. Bows. Not crossbows, interestingly.
Yeah. Nazis are just squishy monsters with a crunchy interior.
Not crossbows, interestingly.
Hmm, sounds like a solvable problem, why not crossbows?
I have to dig that back up. I think it ended up being that the size of a crossbow capable of bear hunting vs a compound bow was significant.
Fair enough, slow to reload and all that. My personal favorite is the tried and true 1911 but thermite is also fucking awesome and a quick death should not be the end of a Nazis life
Crossbows are clunky and slow operate.
Their plus is that untrained people can use them.
An expert bowman could outmatch a group of 12 crossbowmen.
But if you had a group of 50+ men to arm with bows or crossbows (hundereds and thousands weren’t uncommon historically), a crossbow was more effective because there’s no way in hell you’d get, say, 10.000 expert bowmen. If you were to arm such a legion with bows, you’d most likely suffer more damage from friendly fire than from enemy fire.
True but this is why you hypothetically look at the administrative staff not the field agents: field agents signed up for conflict, administrative staff didn’t and therefore they want to avoid any sort of confrontation.
And a large organisation cannot function without administrators.
Agents are easier targets.
What’s next? “Decapitated limbs found 100 feet apart, with the head in the center on a pentagram. Ruled as suicide.”
Don’t grant then the pentagram, that shit is originally a symbol of protection that , like the Nazis stealing iconography, was bastardized by the church.
I’m not, I just used it as an example, because any symbols basically scares the Christians.
Oh, a lynching.
Me being ethnic Chinese:
Stay safe out there.
So are we calling this a prison murder or a state sanctioned assassination?
Obviously it will be ruled as a suicide.
The insane part is, as stated in the article, even the family’s attorney is saying “how could you let someone get out of their cell, and tie three separate noses to hang themselves?”
What in the fuck, how is his not automatically determined to be foul play? NOT EVEN BY THE ATTONREY SUING THE DHS
Sprinkle some crack on him to be sure
Are you tired of having to appear by zoom before a judge in the Hague every time you assassinate a suspected spy?
There’s gotta be a better way!
Seriously though wtf is this bullshit? Did you see the fucking weird ass shit they’re trying to pin on this guy?
Who the fuck “hog ties themselves?”
What the fuck will it take for people stand up and say no more. What has happened to this country. This is inhumane, what was his crime, just existing and trying to make his life better
He was accused of accessing a device issued to another who did not authorize its use, conspiracy – accessing a device issued to another who did not authorize use, theft by deception—false impression, conspiracy—theft by deception, criminal use of a communication facility, and unlawful use of a computer—access to disrupt function.
Uhh are we sure a different agency didn’t perhaps target him for arrest bc they thought he was a spy, and then murder him while in custody? This doesn’t seem like run of the mill trumped up ice bullshit.
Not that they wouldn’t torture and murder somebody, but this seems a bit more professional than I would expect CBP to pull off. Especially if it’s true he didn’t have any defensive marks.
Never really thought about how easy it might be to sprinkle in a few government trained assassins in the chaos of every new batch of rushed ice recruits. Like if you had already been keeping people on a DHS watchlist for decades beforehand, this could be an easy way to detain them without drawing attention.
An autopsy report seen by Newsweek showed Ge was found tied with a bedsheet, with linens around his wrists and ankles in what the report described as a “hog-tied” position. The medical examiner noted that there had been other reported incidents of people who had hung themselves having done something similar, and that there were no obvious defense wounds.
Other reports of people hog tying themselves? To commit suicide?
Sounds like he was accused of using a stolen phone.
Apparently he allegedly admitted to having a bunch of stolen credit card numbers on his phone, but I can’t find anything about him using a stolen phone/computer
access to disrupt function seems like a weird charge to give somebody for just having stolen credit card numbers on a phone, but I guess it would depend on how he obtained them
“access to disrupt function” is a specific element of the criminal charge “Unlawful Use of Computer” under the Pennsylvania Crimes Code, 18 Pa. Cons. Stat. § 7611. It refers to gaining unauthorized access to a computer or network with the intent to interfere with its normal operation or the services it provides.
That’s kinda a catch-all for use of someone else’s device or accessing protected data device or service.
It sounds like an add-on charge related to accessing the CC numbers.
Could be your next Canadian or European tourist.
Hence why Canadians are ceasing to travel to the US in record numbers and that has not recovered at all.
Yeah… hit them in the wallet where it hurts and hopefully the businesses will give pushback
He’s found hog-tied and hanging, and it’s declared a suicide?
It also said that several others have died in a similar manner.
How does someone who is hog-tied commit suicide? And how does it get to be a common method of suicide?
The more likely scenario is that they tie up people in this manner for some reason (torture, punishment, entertainment) and if they die, they report it as suicide, and nobody questions it.
The point of this sort of overt evil is to get caught, and get away with it anyway. It’s a display of power.
This reminds of Ellen Greenburg in 2011. True Crime Garage podcast is talking about in their current episodes. 20 stab wounds the authorities are claiming were self-inflicted.
In some places in the world, some people seem to get incredibly clumsy when they’re near open windows. In others, they have very guilty consciences to the point of killing themselves.
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