“We are raising funds to support a critical legal defense in the fight against unchecked corporate power and a system that continues to favor the few over everyone else. This case isn’t just about one individual—it’s about challenging a status quo that protects the interest of the powerful at the expense of justice and fairness,” read one of the fundraising pages that was quickly removed by GoFundMe.
They’re fucking terrified. The reaction of the public to this assassination has shocked them. They understand that they need to crush this guy and they need to crush the swell of public support or this is the end of unfettered capitalism. When the few have everything that the many have nothing the many rise up and take back everything and the cycle starts again. Every single dollar in every rich guy’s bank account came from the hard work of non-rich people. There are thousands of them and hundreds of millions of us. We can just rise up and take what they have. They have to stop this before it builds and before the majority realize that we can do it.
I give them at most a month before they go back to ignoring us.
Nope nope, this is just a one-time thing one crazy guy,
For the moment they might be right. People are cheering this guy on but I haven’t heard about any protests. People don’t seem to be angry enough right now.
Him killing a CEO won’t start protests, but if they ratchet down more restrictions, perhaps. I honestly don’t really see it happening. We’ll just be pissed off in silence.
They expected us to go “We don’t condone violence!” or “Think of the billionaires!”
They weren’t ready for him to go down as a folk heroes, and honestly if it weren’t for places like Lemmy he wouldn’t have because the corponet will ban your ass for cheering at this.
This situation has me pondering 2 hypotheticals.
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How long until people start posting the names of individuals perceived as traitors (eg the McSnitch, the journalists shilling for Thomson, the politicians leading the charge against Mangione, etc)?
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Can he realistically be tried at all? A broad cross section of people are really supportive of Mangione. We’re in such a weird timeline that I could potentially imagine groups like Black Block and Proud Boys standing side-by-side on this one.
Have they proven to that Luigi was the guy who killed trigger?
We have seen nothing to prove this.
It’s weird that one of the pieces of evidence used to arrest him was finding a “Ghost Gun, cheap 3D Printed Firearm meant to be discarded after a single use! Recently used!”
Which is incredibly sus, why would he still have that after leaving the state?
That just screams “Planted evidence”
It’s a 3d printed Glock lower. It’s not meant to be discarded after a single use any more than a regular polymer lower would be
Doesnt need to be, they have already turned him into the lightning rod. Regardless of his innocence or guilt he is the focus now.
If they could get bank robbers convicted in the 1920’s they’ll get someone to convict Mangione. Unfortunately the offline world is a lot more split about this.
- buckle up shits gonna get weird.
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This seems hypocritical to me, but also I would caution against anyone supporting a GoFundMe or any crowdfunding with a high profile persons name on it because I wouldn’t trust the organizer to just take the money and run.
TBH a lot of them are probably fake and never would have given any money to Luigi.
Don’t get scammed like a dumb bitch.
What’s crazy is that Trump and vance could read the room and drastically change the US forever by using the hate that people have for insurance companies to dismantle their influence.
But instead these crooks are going to enrich themselves and leave office (maybe) dismantling and hurting the people that voted them into office. As bad as 2016-2020 was, I think it’ll pail in comparison to how bad things will get. If you aren’t putting money away towards your 401k, do it now. Because rebuilding healthcare, housing, education, and other crucial regulatory functions of the government is going to take a long time. Especially if we lose any liberal USSC judges. It will be harrowing for the poor and middle class. More so if you are a person of color, lgbtq, or any ethnic minority.
As we all know, they aren’t even in the room. They exist on another floor of the building. One with air conditioning. They could give us air conditioning, but it’s more fun to make us blame each other for it being so hot.
No it won’t. It will pale in comparison.
They let the guy who leaked Trump’s tax returns donate, but folks didn’t really help him out as much as he needed.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/charles-littlejohns-legal-defense-fund
During the Great Depression, people were so angry at banks that they rooted for bank robbers. Things are so bad now that we’re just straight up rooting for cold-blooded executions. Censoring people’s online activities won’t make this anger go away. The genies out of the bottle now, and if billionaires don’t want any more dead CEOs, there will need to be fundamental, radical changes to our society.
Reddit just banned me for saying I support Luigi in his monster slaying quest and hope there’s more heroes out there.
Say, what’s the Lemmy policy on being real?
Depends on the instance, I hear LemmyWorld doesn’t really like it.
I mean that’s literally a call to violence. Fuck Reddit but this is not an example of them being terrible. You’re straight up asking for bans with that kind of comment.
Is it? I am indeed happy that CEO died. He deserved it. Fuck him.
Is Lemmy basically just Reddit Junior then? No real improvements to freedom of speech? More moderators being over zealous and deleting posts and banning people left and right and controlling the narrative? I don’t really know what this place is all about I guess. I’m not like super hateful or anything but I’m not going to pretend I’m on the side of monsters who ruin the world for profit. I fit in beautifully on Reddit circa 2008.
Looks like TikTok is the only place you can actually be a real mother fucker and my country is shutting that down soon. What a bummer.
You didn’t say “I’m glad he’s dead.” You called Luigi a hero and called for other heroes to go kill more people. That’s very different.
Yup, here’s hoping. With a little luck, some would-be mass shooters will also hopefully reconsider their objectives after seeing how much love Luigi is getting and at least go out doing something positive for society instead of shooting innocent people. School shootings are so 1998 and real virgin behavior.
You’re missing the point. You were incredulous at being banned. I explained why. Now you’re saying “yes I did that.” So that’s why you were banned. Advocating for violence/murder.
Do you get it?
Yes, I 100% know why I was banned by a corporate website that abandoned the policy of free speech they were founded on years ago. I don’t care. I’m done playing nice and thinking and saying what I’m “supposed to.” Fuck these people and all who lick their boots.
My question is what is Lemmy about? Can I say I’m glad that CEO got shot and I hope it becomes a new positive trend in the world here? Cause that’s my honest take, and it’s been so refreshing to see that it’s the predominant take among friends, family, and coworkers in the real world as well. We think Luigi is just great.
I have genuinely started to dislike the internet as a whole in the last couple of years, where everyone is trying to be "familiar-friendly " and “corporate-friendly” like wtf? Even I’ve got enough shadow bans on me(especially on the ones by google) that I’ve almost got a strange gut reaction when using a swear word, to stop and consider if it’s going to get me banned. But atleast I’d be able to say what I want. Even then, I’m just so much more happy that I can type out long-ass 10 page rants and it would not be considered a spam, just because of being long on reddit and eternity. Also, fuck lemmy world mods for censorship.
Lemmy world isn’t a government and you don’t want completely unrestricted speech on forums dude.
Maybe you don’t, but I do…
CP is speech. You want CP?
Lemmy is just the software that runs on various instances (servers) that all talk together.
I like to think Lemmy is the multiverse version of Reddit. Don’t like your instance and admins? Join a new instance.
Thank you. I was told by another user to try an anarchist instance. It’s not like I’m some hate-monger or even at all abrasive. I’d just like to see the kind of freedom we had on Reddit in 2008 where the community is allowed to moderate itself outside of some obvious exceptions. We didn’t know how good we had it then. Peak days of online discussion.
On tiktok youre a real motherf🐈er lmao
then I’ll just read books and shit.
That’s how I use the toilet!
Pretty sure it’s a by-server or by-community basis, but I’ve seen nothing but support for him on here
There are various actors trying to least descalate the support and others who painted him as murder esp starting today.
They are mirroring fake news arguments to split the support. Their play here depends on their ability to do so.
Fever has died down too.
He is already cooked from their perspective but I still don’t buy he was in fact the guy who pulled the trigger
I’ve seen some people try to say he was a Far-Right loon who had a shrine to the messiah himself, Jordan Peterson.
I saw a laughably bad article on MSN that basically said “Won’t someone think of the billionaires and ban video games before someone kills again? This guy played Among Us ya know!”
You guys use MSN?
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It depends on the instance. I just left Lemmy.World because of their euro- centric pro-censorship stance of educating people on the existence and explanation of jury nullification.
That’s what I’m on since I’m not really too well read on Lemmy yet and it was the most popular. Any suggestions for a good instance that can be readily joined where we have some semblance of freedom of speech? I mean, I’m far from a terribly hateful person but I’m not going to pretend I’m upset when a bad person dies, and I also like discussing internet piracy and such. I just wish for Reddit circa 2008. Heh.
I‘m a piracy fan and I‘m on dbzer0 instance as it‘s an offshoot of r/piracy. I barely post and lurk more, so I don‘t really know how they‘d moderate on the Luigi situation. The owner seems to be an anarchist and historically anarchist action wasn‘t all peaceful, most anarchists seem to support a “diversity of tactics” one of which is violence. Which makes sense to me, it’s like self defense cause what Americans are dealing with here is structural violence and what looks like zero hope for change.
Violence is very unfortunately the only way the world ever changes substantially. We deify our own nations’ founders as legendary revolutionaries when they used violence as their primary tool. We understand why the French had their revolution. We root for the anti-heroes in films. But then I’m supposed to be silent when I see somebody finally taking action in a meaningful way against some greedy sociopathic pig? I’m supposed to be okay with platforms silencing me and telling me I’m wrong for thinking this way after decades of being beaten down by these types?
Well, I’m not upset that CEO is dead. I like it. I hope somebody guns down another every week. Gives me a rock hard justice boner. And if speaking like this gets me banned from online social media then maybe it’s for the best. Spend way too much time on it anyways. Haha.
We very much support deny, delay depose policy
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Attention all Luigi supporters!
Lemmy.world’s policy is to remove comments and posts that advocate for violence. And imprisonment is a violent act. If you see a post on lemmy.world advocating for Luigi’s imprisonment, report it and leave a comment explaining how it advocates for violence.
Telling people that jury nullification exists isn’t a problem, I’ve done that ad nauseam on .world. The problem is connecting it to calls for violence, as a way of encouraging people to cross that line.
That’s some old bullshit
Like how banks became institutions dedicated to the public good following the Depression?
More like how FDR used the banks’ need for government assistance to force regulation on them through the 1933 Banking Act and the Glass-Steagall Act.
The Glass-Steagall Act that was repealed and now banks are more out-of-control than ever?
Yes, proof that reforming capitalism is wasted effort. You can only delay end stage capitalism reforms, not prevent it.
Yes. A decade after it was repealed, we had the largest financial collapse since it was enacted, and now we’re dealing with higher income inequality than we had during the Gilded Age. What part of this is meant to invalidate my point?
I’m refuting the idea that fanservice leads to lasting institutional change.
The fact that we’re in the shotter because the change didn’t stick kinda proves my point.
Well, A) the point isn’t that, “fan service,” created this change. It’s that people’s willingness to side with outlaws over institutions is a good barometer of public anger, and based on the United Healthcare killing, people are fucking pissed. B) FDR passed banking reform and social welfare programs that created decades of economic stability and only lost their efficacy after half a century of conservative attacks chipped away at them. I’m not sure why you think a historical example of the sort of fundamental, radical change in talking about doesn’t count just because the Baby Boomers fucked it all up.
Billionaires deserve to live in fear.
Billionaires should not exist. Tax them out of existence. If they don’t exist, they won’t be vigilante targets.
Being poor is a fate worse then death for a billionaire.
All the more reason to make them poor.
It shouldn’t just be a cap either. Net worth topping $1B should just be a reset button. Automatic bankruptcy. It should be something to actively fear and avoid, not just a score to max out.
Yeah, billionaires! We’re just trying to help you!
“In fear” are the key words here.
If I stole hundreds of dollars from people in my town and my name was public information, I’d be scared shitless.
Billionaires steal millions and not just in dollars. The way I see it, Luigi took out a serial killer, not a businessman.
I would like to remind everyone that while I do wish the worst for billionaires, I do not legally condone violence of any kind. I will however smile if I hear about bad things happening to bad people.
No they don’t.
Deserve to live I mean.
I will not elaborate further.
Nah they deserve to live, as a treaf. Plus I want to see what happens to person when you pour lemon juice into their open chest cavity while theyre awake.
The genies out of the bottle now, and if billionaires don’t want any more dead CEOs, there will need to be fundamental, radical changes to our society.
I don’t expect radical changes. I expect them to make the minimal concessions they believe to be enough to make people just happy enough to not depose more CEOs
That’d still be helpful, last time they gave us “Just enough to put down the pitchforks.”
That was the “New Deal”
I actually don’t expect CEOs and billionaires to make any concessions. Honestly, this is how I imagine the next few years going:
Right now, billionaires are waking up to the fact that the majority of Americans want them dead. CEOs will start beefing up security while politicians and pundits try to spin this, and they’ll all hope this was a one-off. It won’t be. Sure, there probably won’t be another assassin who escapes and leads police on a five day manhunt, but there will surely be a guy with an AR-15 who takes out billionaire or CEO before getting gunned down himself by cops or private security.
Billionaires will start lobbying for protections from Congress, probably through special treatment from federal law enforcement and a push for gun control. This will only further enrage the public, who have faced mass shootings in schools and churches without any response. On top of that, the Trump administration is gearing up for an era of naked corruption, which is going to make the billionaire class even less popular
All in all, I think we’re heading towards a period of political instability and violence. Maybe it will end with public rage being channeled into a series of reforms like FDR managed with the New Deal. Maybe we’ll devolve even further into oligarchy and authoritarianism as American society collapses. Either way, I think there will be radical change.
Anyway, that’s my theory. Maybe I’m wrong, and this will be a blip, but I don’t think so. This feels like a very different, very significant moment.
if billionaires don’t want any more dead CEOs, there will need to be fundamental, radical changes to our society.
OR…they raise premiums to pay for more security.
I mean, I’m sure they will, but I doubt it will make a difference. Trump almost got it twice this summer. He’s only alive because he was incredibly lucky the first time, and the second time, the shooter was incompetent. Meanwhile, in the last 25 years, schools have added metal detectors, more police, active shooter drills, and bullet-proof walls, but it’s only amounted to security theater. I’m sure there will never be another assassin who escapes and leads police on a 5-day manhunt, but there are too many guns in America to prevent a guy with a death wish from gunning down a CEO or billionaire.
Like that’s ever gonna happen. There are and will always be boot lickers that’ll do anything for money.
It’s a real shame they all end up in congress too.
One ended up working on a McDonalds. Fucking traitor
They get put there don’t just end in a position of power
This guy doesn’t need a GoFundMe.
He could start an Only fans where he talked about his ideas with his shirt off and he’d be set for life, or at least until Nintendo sued him off the Internet.
One of his ideas is that people are watching too much porn and not having enough sex
Damn, hes got me figured out
I’d agree with that.
Yeah, so just the shirt.
He can fuck my girlfriend any time she wants it.
I volunteer to pay him a conjugal visit.
Source?
I’d watch it if he was 1000% into the actual content and NEVER mentioned not wearing a shirt.
This just my house clothes
Real talk: do people just go nude/semi-nude at home on the regular? I had no idea.
In the summer…? Sure, no point in putting anything on if you aren’t going out.
and it saves energy by using less A/C!
Shirtless with maybe some boxer shorts is pretty common, particularly in hotter climates
I’d pay for that.
good.
Why good? Genuinely curious.
Do you only support murder if it’s systemic and done in the interests of shareholders?
i don’t support murder at all.
Murder only applies to humans
Yes and?
Sorry, didn’t realize you couldn’t pick up on the subtext. I’m implying that the rich aren’t human.
i agree.
Fair, even if I think it’s a little naive.
Say, a man is going to go and murder an entire city and to stop him you must kill him. You’re saying you wouldn’t support that and would be happy for a whole city to die instead?
So your saying the CEO of United healthcare murdered people? Then he should of been charged. People should not be Judge Dredd.
I am saying the system he helped caused people to die that did not need to die. I am saying it causes untold suffering to their families and friends.
It seems to me that systemic suffering is fine as long as shareholder value is increased.
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
- JFK
I live my life similar to Luigi, although to a lesser extent. In that I don’t let things like the law dictate what I will and will not do, more that I will weigh up the pros and cons of a particular action. When a person doesn’t believe the world is being run morally we will go off our own morals of what we believe is right and I truly believe the world would be a better place if certain people were not in it anymore. If you can kill 1 person and it improves the lives of say 100 people , then have at it and kill that sob.
If you were in a room with Hitler before he came to power and you some how knew what he would go on to do, are you saying you wouldn’t have killed him?
Would i Kill Hitler? no, because i am not one to take someone’s life. I don’t think anyone has that right. and if it’s committed, they will be tried in court and thrown away in jail.
This reeks of privilege.
You believe you came to this value alone but it’s the kind of passivity the ruling class wants you to demonstrate. “Nobody is above the law” is another one, but the US just elected a 34-time felon.
Starting to see things any more clearly yet? If not, look inward. Harder…
Appreciate your honesty, even if I think it’s a little misguided.
I would have put a bullet in Hitler’s head without hesitation if I knew how many people he would go on to kill, I actually think it would be my responsibility to make the world a better place.
If I was tried for that crime and sentenced to life in prison, then I would accept that as the cost of doing the right thing.
Now I imagine Luigi wrestled with the same things and is happy to face charges for doing what he thought was right and I find that admirable, much more admirable than letting someone like Hitler cause millions of deaths because I didn’t want to get my hands dirty.
I want you to know I am not judging you and I support your belief in your morals and where you draw the line, I just wanted to open a discussion as someone who is somewhere on the ASPD spectrum, it always interests me what lines people have and their reasons for them.
Have a nice day. 😊
Glad the scale tips the other way.
what does this mean?
You must be one of those temporarily embarrassed billionaires.
i wish i was a billionaire so i could donate it to feed starving children.
If that’s what you’re passionate about (helping others) you will never be a billionaire.
They only like to pretend to do good things to try and whitewash their reputation.
good because i never want to be rich. money corrupts people.
Yet you’re not a fan of removing that corruption (cancer) from the Earth by violent means.
I wonder if you think any other means could be used to remove such people from power, as from what I can see people protest and are violently crushed, people can try political means (Bernie/Corbyn) and the media machine will come out in force to slander them, people can march but will be vilified for causing a nuisance.
It seems to me like violence is the only thing that can spur on a revolution. Hello Syria, Libya, Hamas, the Americans kicking out my country over taxes.
well Americans can do as they wish. Up here in Canada I’m just going to condone violence.
I am not American either, they don’t have a monopoly on violence, well geo-politically they might do actually.
Anyway, as I said in the other thread I don’t judge you and was just interested in hearing another perspective, as clearly I am anti-social to some degree, so it’s interesting to hear from people who are not.
Bootlicker
naw, not my type of fetish, im more into licking other things
Dont get scammed…
Once you find a proper place, use crypto.
If you don’t know how to do any of this. Stop. Learn. Then come back.
Seriously! When I think of not getting scammed I immediately think of all my crypto
lol. Jk. I for sure don’t understand it, tho I can see it’s value, personally
lol so when you pull your money out you’re immediately marked by the Feds? Crypto isn’t magic dude, in fact it’s extremely traceable. Only scammers want you to believe it isn’t.
I doubt USD will be permitted for donations here lol
Just don’t waste your fucking money unless you know what you are doing.
Is this is the stupidest advice I’ve ever seen? Maybe not “drink bleach” bad I suppose but still - this is pretty stupid. Well done I suppose.
Not getting scammed is a bad advice?
Hmmm
that is the part you thought I was talking about when “use crypto” is right there?
Wikileaks would have been destroyed without crypto.
The resistance of state oppression is one of crypto’s primary purposes.
I doubt regime will permit USD to be used;)
Congrats - you one-upped your original comment.
Please tell us where the bad word hurt you, boy
I wonder if he has a Zelle
We’ve been here before with wikileaks. I believe there’s a certain electronic solution that many of us discovered around that time.
He doesn’t need the money. Just the fame. He is closer in wealth to the dead guy than to a regular working middle classer
If he’s actually the guy, money does help with defense fees.
If he’s not actually the guy, money will absolutely help with defense fees.
The thing is if it is the right guy, he doesn’t need it. Him and fam obviously have plenty. If it is not he should some money
You really think him and his family have anywhere near the amount of money the medical insurance industry has?
He doesn’t.
No. Just closer to the guy shot than the mcds worker
How does that change what he did?
Family supposedly owns a country club. Prominent baltimore family. If that is so, that is definitely up there in the capitalist class and not working class. Still was rooting for him. Just would have alot cooler if was a working class guy.
It doesn’t. Just saying he and his family can afford a good lawyer without a GFM is all
It’s not about the money, it’s about the message
A community effort to send in handwritten checks is probably the safer bet. If his public defender is worth anything (unlikely), they’ll try to use the public support to hire a stronger legal defense team.
…But it’s okay for people to run many, many GoFundMe pages that support Trump’s legal affairs. Got it.’
Take it up with Tim Cadogan, CEO of GoFundMe.
I like this new world of ours where CEOs get the public recognition they deserve for all the hard work they do.
Thank you, CEOs, for giving us somebody to look up to. By name.
Where’s Luigis brother Mario to help him out
Can’t wait for the romhacks surrounding this lol
For real.
Let’s fucking set up a PAC for the guy then. Apparently anything goes with those.Technically a super pac. They can do issue advocacy.
to run some tv ads? nice
Is that what Trump did with Elons PAC money?
