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Prosecutors highlighted “about $10,000 — $8,000 in U.S. dollars and then $2,000 in foreign currency that was found on his person,” CNN correspondent Danny Freeman said following the court hearing.
“Also they said that he had a Faraday bag,” which blocks cell signals, a move that prosecutors alleged marked “an indication of criminal sophistication and reason they should hold him on bail,” Freeman continued.
After prosecutors made the claims, Mangione said he would like to “correct two things.”
“I don’t know where any of that money came from — I’m not sure if it was planted. And also, that bag was waterproof, so I don’t know about criminal sophistication,” the suspect said in a statement that suggested police framed him.
“Also they said that he had a Faraday bag,” which blocks cell signals, a move that prosecutors alleged marked “an indication of criminal sophistication and reason they should hold him on bail,” Freeman continued.
Prosecutors, man. Acting like he had a fucking radio jammer or something.
There have been plenty of articles in popular media recommending Faraday bags for electronic devices. I have them for credit cards and car keys. It’s definitely not evidence of criminal intent.
You blocking corporate, that’s illegal. They have the right to take all your information and sell it to the highest bidder
Right. Criminal sophistication is the tracking portal on your device, analyzing all of your information and the information of your contacts and turning into a robust identity infrastructure, from which B2B data buyers can can select a complete data profile which will allow them to make decisions about your banking costs, your employment eligibility, your healthcare options, and the quality of information you are able to access via the web. All while appearing as a cute step-counting app that gives lights up with a smiley face haptic when you reach your goal.
Just look at how americans react to chinese’s score system. Communist, evil, over stepping by the government… Walk into a car dealership and try to buy something. What is the first question asked? How will you finance? Let’s check your credit score.
The companies in the US just package the process better. Same tactic and outcomes. We have massive problems.
Interfering with corporate profits! How dare you, filthy plebe!
I found another suspect!
There are several of us.
Dozens even
Shit, any Subaru owner probably has an RFID bag for when they go car camping and don’t want to wake up to a dead battery.
Wait what, tell me more.
looks askance at Outback
All modern cars with key fobs react to the key fob, using up battery.
The RF key fob very slowly drains the battery if you’re within 10-15 feet of the car.
$20 dollars can buy many peanuts.
There is so much theft of cars happening because car manufacturers did fucking nothing to improve security. Now a guy with a laptop, and antenna, and radio software can clone your car keys and all they have to do is hang around enough to capture a few of the rolling code changes. They can do it from outside your house and through some obstructions too.
So yeah a Faraday cage of some sort for your car keys is just a good idea now. Guess that makes us all criminals.
Prosecutors are another cog in the wheel of the regime. They only care for one thing is slobbing up the pole.
I am sure this parasite thinks he is going to make a career off this prosecution.
Disgusting
Didn’t you know? Doing anything that interferes with corpos having full access to your profitable information means you’re a criminal.
He had a waterproof wallet lol so spy
Prosecutors, man.
Mfs think he Gene Hackman from Enemy of the State.
A LOT of yesterday’s arrest is REALLY suspicious. Dude who could easily have fled the country (for a lot of reasons) and had done such a great job of covering his tracks is sitting in a mickey d’s with his murder weapon and a manifesto.
But… a lot of his social media history (which is not impossible to fake but…) kind of suggests he was very mentally unwell. Which… uh doy? And he is mostly focused on the money (super easy to plant) and the “faraday bag”.
As for the faraday bag? A LOT of dry bags (an internal bag you put electronics and valuables into if you are going to hike in the rain or go rafting/boating) have a metal mesh. Because they need to withstand abrasians either from being near other gear (you would be shocked how much jagged metal is in a backpack when you go on a proper alpine overnight) or just being able to survive falling overboard and bouncing on the end of a rope in rapids. And guess what a metal mesh does?
So he presumably got a dry bag of some form to stash his personal shit in while he stashed the second backpack. And I know plenty of hikers and climbers who learn the fun way that the phone they carried “in case someone needs to get a hold of me” had zero signal the entire time it was protected from the rain.
But… a lot of his social media history (which is not impossible to fake but…) kind of suggests he was very mentally unwell.
What are you referring to here? I’m not scouring the internet for all the information I can find but everything I’ve seen so far paints the picture of a perfectly sane person who was fed up with a broken system. I see similar sentiments all over the internet literally every day.
Well he also played this game where you act as an assassin called Among Us…
You know the funny thing about these “ghost guns” is they are untraceable so you don’t know where they came from. The best way to pin them to someone is to “pin” them to that person. This can be through forensics or proximity. In this case the suspect just happens to have a gun whose origins are unknown. Very convenient.
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Is there a decent thread on the facts somewhere? I am still trying to wrap my head around how they connected the subject of the shooting video to the subject of the crime stoppers picture. There are so many diffs it’s like a Mad Magazine bit.
Welcome to the US justice system, where the rules are made up and the facts don’t matter.
Wait, people actually do that on accident? They aren’t just making sure their boss can’t call them?
Where is the body camera footage?
Until I see it, all of this shit fake news.
Luigi didn’t do shit. They are just trying to pin it on any Italian guy that fits their narrative
Sure he hates health insurance parasites so does 99% of US.
It ain’t a crime!
he hates health insurance parasites so does 99% of US.
That’s a very conservative estimate.
Statistically the 1% are benefiting from the insurance parasites.
Considerably less than that.
“The 1%” is, ironically, a way to protect the elites and keep us divided amongst ourselves. But that ignores the wealth inequality issues and how many people aren’t even “middle class”.
In plenty of states? Making low six figures is already enough to put you as a “one percenter” for your demographic. Especially if you have a partner who makes a similar amount of money. And that scales with cost of living. A couple years ago (during the pandemic) I saw a really good breakdown that basically showed “if you can afford to live on your own, you are probably at least a top 5% earner”
And those people are just as vulnerable to an illness that insurance doesn’t cover.
No. The people benefiting aren’t even the “1%”. It is a ridiculously small percentage of the population.
Interesting to consider that were the 0.01%ers to simply disappear, nobody would miss them at all. And if they were to disappear and their money were to be distributed amongst the rest of us, we would all have significantly improved lives.
My wife and I live on my income (not amazingly but we make do in a suburban part of a lower aide of middle income state) and I’m less than half the 5% threshold for the lowest state.
Somebody got to own all them shares
Saying Mangione is a hero implies you’re convinced he’s the killer. Not great…
the original scene in the Sopranos is about Christopher Columbus, so…
Please don’t say fake news. You sound like a far right nutjob. We are better than that.
You can call out news as being fake without being right wing buddo. All mainstream media owned by Sinclair is fake. Anything in between has a narrative they’re trying to achieve. If it ain’t journalism, it’s a dead opinion.
95% of what is out is fake news… You can call it what you want.
Also this ain’t about politics. Both sides use the same tactic lol
Why would someone this meticulous keep the gun that’s could have been ditched? Write out a memefesto like two hours before being caught? Wear the same clothes that could’ve also been directed or burned? This feels like a patsy.
Fall guy, planted by the mob to give the NYPD credit that they aren’t just a bunch of guys with big bellies keystone copping around, probably they have a deal with a mob boss to not bust their child exploitation ring if they have them some dude who can sit in prison
Everyone keeps calling him meticulous and I’m just curious what you found meticulous about it.
The way he fired off those shots was practiced.
His getaway sure was and dropping a bag off that had monopoly money seems more well thought out than “have gun and no change clothes”
I suppose if you think running across the street, riding an e-bike for awhile, and then ditching it in a park is meticulous then we just don’t share a definition of meticulous.
The getaway might not have been as meticulous as the plan leading up to the getaway.
I still wonder if that was actual monopoly money or if they were just talking about Canadian dollars.
Because, as many of us pointed out, he was never some super meticulous hitman. He exhibited basic knowledge of firearms and got his stalker on like the ceo what got got was a pretty girl who asked to borrow a pencil that one time in biology class. The rest was taking a bus and wearing a face mask most of the time. It was inevitable that he would be caught unless he fled the country.
Mostly this just highlighted how incompetent cops are. And… might be used to further efforts to just use computer vision and rudimentary “AI” to process security camera footage in the future.
As for why he would keep his gun on him? The manifesto kind of says it all (and, to my knowledge, Luigi has not disputed THAT aspect of it). He wanted to get caught. Probably after making it clear he could have escaped if he wanted to (because getting on a flight out of the US would have been trivial).
To be clear. If he were to have disputed the gun and manifesto I would VERY rapidly be on the side of "cops are planting shit yet again’. But the fact that he hasn’t (to my knowledge) while disputing other potentially planted or misinterpreted evidence puts the kibosh on that.
The play would have been to go to Canada, take the ferry to St. Pierre and Michelon, Then book a flight to France. Going to France from France through Montreal, you’d not have to clear passport control in Canada on your way to France. Although there is a non-stop from St. Pierre direct to Paris. If he didn’t have a bad back, he could have joined the FFL and gotten a new identity and French citizenship. From France, he could go anywhere.
If he wanted to get caught, why would he say the evidence was planted?
He did not say “the” evidence was planted. He said “that” evidence was planted. As in a subset.
And, as I pointed out above, said evidence makes sense. The “faraday bag” is just an intentional misinterpretation. As for the foreign currency? People very much underestimate how much loose cash cops have due to civil forfeiture and it is a really easy way to argue that someone is a flight risk and should not be granted bail.
If he wanted to be caught he could’ve turned himself in though, make it big and public if he wanted that attention.
If he sees himself as a Robin Hood-type, it stands to reason that he’d see that someone gets the reward for submitting the tip when he got caught. A low-wage McDonald’s worker makes sense given what’s alleged about his world views.
Damn. Another Adjustment made, may he never stop Adjusting.
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Authorities are desperately trying to make an example of someone, anyone with a motive. Turns out more than half the country has one.
the way they portray him and the tone of the whole thing is just so fucking slimy
“Do you realize how much money the wealthy are losing right now?”
“OMG how could a person born into wealth that is clearly incredibly intelligent, ever think about doing something like this? There are better ways to slowly let millions of people die over denied coverage and ignore it. How could he.”
“Do you realize how much the wealthy are losing right now?”
Clearly, not nearly enough.
“Hey! This guy doesn’t worship the Dollar! Slander him!”
UnitedHealth Group has lost $45 billion in value since CEO Killing
They can call us inhumane but they’re the ones who got us thinking of human lives in dollar values
Dont post pictures of headliness. Post links to the articles.
I mean those weren’t screenshots of headlines, they were a significant portion of the articles. At the time though it was just coming from CNN’s live coverage page, which I tried to link to above
The reason you need to give links isn’t because its not showing all the text. Its to prevent misinformation and to let people who are blind be able to read the article.
Sure, agreed, I posted screenshots on the fly as I saw the info. That being said is it was a “live feed” page and information was being changed on the fly with a single URL
They’re now also blaming Among Us for training him into an assassin, apparently.
A game with “500+ M downloads” on google play, plus like a dozen other platforms it’s on.
If 0.001% of among us players became CEO assassins, I don’t think we’d have any CEOs left.
LOL “quick, do the ‘it was video games!’ distraction “
So thin and weak
I bet he knows the hacker 4chan too
Of this is true… Damn. Two thoughts come to mind when reading this.
- Rockstar Games has done so little with GTA for such a long time it is no longer the default ‘turn kids into criminals’-simulator.
- I am fucking old.
Remember when Jack Thompson was relevant? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
All those kids that started playing GTA too young are now grown and taking it out on society because they don’t have a new GTA to work through their urges in.
If you dont remember shooting lines of Elvis impersonators with an above head view and bullets that projectiles slowly across the screen, you’re not that old
smh the sus guy strikes again, this time out of retirement
They can’t have us realize its that easy to take our country back from the corporations that own it or their entire power structure and caste society comes crashing down.
This whole thing is sooo fucking smelly. So, so very smelly
They’ll find 12 of the whitest old women to ever exist and hammer this guy, I can just feel it. The justice system exists for the rich and whoever did this fucked with one of their own.
My Nostradamus prediction of the day is that you are right. They will all miraculously had a great time with the private healthcare syndicates.
I’m the one who killed the dude actually. Remember? You were there. ;)
I broke the dam.
Ryan started the fire.
No, I’m Luigi.
No, I’m Luigi!
No itsa me, Luigi.
It-a-was-a-me, Mario!
Ah shaddap you face.
Wassa matta you?
I’m that baby daddy
Number one!
Go Weegee! Go Weegee! Oh yeah! Oh yeah!
Wahhooooooooo
No, this is Patrick.
Wait
I mean I am Spartacus
Wait
And my axe!
hold on
Hodor hodor hodor
Hodor? Hodor? Hold-uhdoor?
Yarp
I’m Batman?
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Secret assassin of my heart, baby.
❤️
Ass assassin
🤌
Turns out more than half the country has one.
Turns out your new president kinda wants to put that half in shackles, too.
That’s the fastest way to get your courthouse blown up
Everyone should change their names on all their social medias to Luigi Mangione
Everyone should walk around with Luigi Mangione face masks.
Shut about about should and just fucking do it, Luigi Mangione.
Sincerely,
Luigi Mangione
From the article:
Although a host of eyewitness accounts and video camera footage recorded Mangione’s movements before and after Thompson was killed in New York City on Wednesday, police said they were unable to locate him until a McDonald’s employee identified the suspect at a Pennsylvania franchise nearly a week later.
They should have said “the suspect’s movements” or “the shooter’s movements”. Not “Mangione’s movements”. They are already presuming guilt by saying it was Mangione who was recorded. Newspapers used to be careful about doing this. I think they can be sued for defamation for this, can’t they?
Maybe Luigi can sue them with all the money people on GoFundMe are desperate to give him.
Was it an employee or a bystander/customer? I’m confused.
It seems kinda grey because they’re not saying he committed a crime they are saying that he was in certain camera frames and the police were looking for him. If the police announced a name then the news would be reporting fact. The camera bit could be debatable I think. If they were speaking more about the actions of the crime they’d have to alledge, which they did alledge about his “type” of bookbag.
I could be wrong I just found your comment interesting.
Yeah but by stating as a fact that it was Mangione who was witnessed and recorded they are stating as a fact that he is the killer, which we don’t know yet. That is-- or used to be – a big no no in reporting. But times have changed. Here is a link I found explaining how they are probably opening themselves up to a libel charge with this kind of language.
I think they’re saying it definitely was Mangione who was recorded at the hotel, which if he was checking in/out is pretty easy to prove. From there they lost track of him because they didn’t know his route or he just didn’t show up on any other cameras.
I agree that the wording is likely intentional to imply guilt, but is loose enough that they could claim that isn’t what they were doing.
Fuck Chomsky.
They said with no support…
Are you the CEO of a news corporation, bud?
He took Russia’s side in their invasion of Ukraine, which I don’t agree with, but truth if truth wnd he accurately describes how the media sways public opinion without outright lying.
Can you back up that claim with a link?
I only read Chomsky saying:
- Russia’s invasion of Ukraine was a crime.
- The US + Britain have committed far worse atrocities in war (e.g. Iraq, Lebanon, Indochina) than Russia in Ukraine.
- It would be better to attempt de-escalation of the Russia-Ukraine war than to strengthen NATO and continue a proxy war with Russia.
I mean, by your own comment, those aren’t great things. 2 is a whataboutism and 3 is the same as giving concessions to the Nazis and lead to WWII. Concessions have already been given to Russia in regards to their previous invasions of Georgia and Crimea. Give an inch and they’ll take a mile.
Regardless of Chomsky’s stance on Russia and NATO though, he still describes media manipulation acutely. He just has a huge blind spot for when Russia is doing it
NATO has expanded significantly towards Russia since the SU fell. No nation would be fine with this. Imagine if China started a “defense agreement” with latin American countries. What do you think the US reaction would be to Mexico joining in? Or for a more real and historic example have a look at the Cuban missile crisis.
This does not justify Putins invasion, but comparing this to the appeasement politics towards Hitler doesn’t work, as Hitler wasn’t threatened by British and American troops stationed in Czechoslovakia or Austria.
For a bettet explanation i highly recommend watching some talks of John Mearsheimer, who forsaw a war in Eastern Europe as the result of the security architecture built by the US in the 90s and 2000s.
I don’t think it’s fair to say 2 is strictly whataboutism, because Chomsky has a founded fear that strengthening NATO as a military power through conflict escalation will lead to worse outcomes in the long run. That’s why it’s relevant to point out NATO war crimes.
As for 3, that’s a fair point, and I would press Chomsky to provide an option for de-escalation that doesn’t involve allowing Russia to keep any Ukrainian soil.
Sure, but I think you’d understand that I can’t just take pure speculation though. Could you please source your claim so I can consider what you’re saying when you say he “took Russia’s side”.
Would also be curious of the state he was in while saying that if true, as he’s nearly 100 years old at this point if I recall? Even our heroes get frail and wither, not necessarily representative of their true core positions.
Curious as to why you think this?
I’ve heard he’s a meany, but that’s all I know
It’s an American newspaper, so it’s up to the victim. Canada and EU have much stricter rules.
I mean, if they want to go and taint every potential juror in the country they can go for it.
So alls they got is a faraday bag, he likes playing computer games, and a recently used gun? Oh yeah…hundred percent this is the guy.
/s
A lot of people on all platforms trying to explain why he kept his gun, why he was caught so easily, and most coming up with easy explanations that fit their conspiracy theories.
The simple explanation is, he might be smarter than most, but maybe not enough to outsmart the whole NYPD police department. Maybe he kept his gun because he didn’t want to leave a trace. Maybe he wanted to get caught peacefully in a McD rather than dying in a shooting.
Also, to those who still don’t believe he’s the killer: he is. Police don’t go capture a random dude and then plant every evidence on him “because they need a scapegoat”. There’s a whole judicial process that goes on after the arrest, and if he’s found not to be the killer, the police will have to go back to square one on a cold trail. They usually don’t want that.
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High-profile case also means more scrutiny from everyone, which means there’s a bigger risk someone finds out what they did.
Police don’t go capture a random dude and then plant every evidence on him “because they need a scapegoat"
Yikes, how cringe. And in the most public way possible. Hope you recover from this huge mistake someday soon.
Don’t worry. Just like every other bootlicker on the Internet, the PTB have seen their loyalty, and shall lift them on high to live out their halcyon days in Valhalla.
Well I guess that’ll teach me to try to have a rational and respectful discussion with a random stranger on the internet.
Calm down, smoke a bowl, read books on critical thinking and question the narrative even when if fits your worldview.
He DID outsmart the whole NYPD. The only reason he was caught was a couple of randos in a Pennsylvania McDonalds.
Remember this bit from the Mayor?
"When asked by a reporter if police had the suspect’s name, Adams said, “We don’t want to release that now. If you do, you’re basically giving a tip to the person we are fine with seeking, and we do not want to give him an upper hand at all. Let him continue to believe he can hide behind a mask.” "
Yeah, turns out, they had no clue.
Also, to those who still don’t believe he’s the killer: he is. Police don’t go capture a random dude and then plant every evidence on him “because they need a scapegoat”.
How long have you lived in America? Have you ever heard of the Innocence Project? I mean we literally just executed a black man in Sept that was very likely innocent of the crime he was convicted of. Even the prosecutor wanted to stop the execution.
How is this related to the police planting evidence on suspects?
You’re questioning how innocent people being imprisoned or executed is related to false evidence? OK, here one that’s specific to planting evidence.
I like the example you chose because the facts reported support what I’m saying: eventually, if cops get too comfy planting evidence everywhere, someone down the line is going to notice and the judge will dismiss the case.
Jesus fuck, this is what Disney did to people’s minds. You’ll believe anything, as long as it ends with “…and they all lived happy ever after.”
Police don’t go capture a random dude and then plant every evidence on him “because they need a scapegoat”.
Hahaha oh man i needed a good laugh today. https://www.themarshallproject.org/records/4692-cops-planting-evidence.
You have entirely all too much faith in the US policing system and the sheer amount of money pressure bearing down on it at this very second to make an example out of this man.
Of course the police plant evidence on people. There’s plenty of evidence of that occurring.
I know they do, but they usually keep it somewhat subtle because the goal is to reinforce the bad guy image of someone they already know is guilty (but can’t prove). Planting the main piece of evidence such as a gun is risky.
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Yeah. If they were looking for someone to frame, NYPD could have just grabbed someone in NY. I don’t see how it makes sense for them to coordinate with PA police to frame a random guy out of state, especially that quickly. I doubt they’d have been able to fabricate the evidence that quickly, too.
Who’s to say that backpack only had a jacket and monopoly money in it? Pin the evidence
So they took evidence, and instead of analyzing it, sent it out of state to be planted on some random guy three days later? That seems even more unlikely.
Maybe, but in this case, as in many high-profile cases, the cops are determined to catch a guy, not necessarily the guy. Not that they care about this particular victim. They don’t. But they sure as hell don’t like looking like fools. If they felt that the real shooter had slipped away (after all, most murders do go unsolved these days) then they might be very inclined to find a patsy and frame him up.
Unlikely if you have trust in the regime… Most people don’t have such trust.
No, it just doesn’t make sense. No trust required.
If you can’t catch the guy, may as well ‘catch the guy’. Wouldn’t be the first time police tampered with evidence and it’d be downright embarassing and set off copycats to let this thing go cold so don’t put it past them
Why not ditch the first weapon then? He could have just gotten another gun. Why would he have kept ALL the evidence on his person 5 days later?
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If that’s the case, I’ll bet he was loving it. Has anyone ever captured the admiration of so many people with one act? Especially an act this violent?
Free Luigi.
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I think that’s notably different because nobody was cheering that Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman were killed, they were either cheering that the cops were “losing” the chase or because they thought he was innocent.
The consensus here is that The Adjustor definitely committed murder and we think that rocks.
Yes. Learn your history.
Age 20-30, has a good bag to carry thier tech around day to day, dislikes american health insurance, and may be mentally unwell without proper diagnosis; Describes every college student I know.
If the more concrete evidence is you where within a few miles of the incident in NY, as well know NY is not a dense urban city…
It’s all hard to say, rampant distrust of the police means, knowing they are desperate to pin it on anyone, we can’t trust what they say.
Luigi needs to shut the everloving fark up and let his lawyer do the talking for him. The cops are trolling him with fake evidence and he’s falling for it.
“The gun WASN’T a 32 caliber, it was a 22 rimfire!” etc, etc.
This is the correct answer. If you are arrested by police for ANY REASON, the only word in your vocabulary is now “lawyer”. Remember kids, anything you say or do will be used against you.
“I invoke my right to remain silent and have a lawyer.”
It sucks, but sometimes you have to explicitly state you are exercising your rights. Just staying silent doesn’t mean they won’t stop pestering you with questions. Make it clear and concise that that you are demanding your lawyer be present and any further questioning done should be in violation of that right. But you have to make it clear you are invoking it.
Not sometimes, but ALWAYS state that you are invoking your right to remain silent.
Doesn’t matter if it’s one of the states that presumes you are invoking your right, because you might be the court case that decides otherwise this time.
Glad to see this here. In many jurisdictions, if the law doesn’t say it previous rulings do: you must invoke the rights to silence and to counsel.
It sucks but plenty of judges want to give the police every chance they can get, like those dickheads who OK’d forcing people to unlock their phones because “you already gave police your fingerprint”.
I think he wants to go to prison, why else be so sloppy in the final stretch?
Unless the gun was in the backpack Muad’dib ditched, and the cops just chose a random guy to scapegoat with the evidence they hid.
While this is generally good advice, it doesn’t apply to public spectacle.
There’s countless cases in the US where public pressure forced the government to drop charges or at least reduce sentences.
This guy has support from 99% of the people. Keeping that support is important to his defense.
A Faraday cage (bag) is not sophisticated. WTF, one can build one from chicken wire.
Sus as fuck
Sounds like you’ve played amongus, a well known assassin training simulator. /$
Agreed, been saying.
I have no doubt, I trust him.
I am not sure prosecution can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he’s the guy. Some of this evidence seems flimsy or circumstantial, but I don’t know the whole picture.
Criminal says they’re not guilty. Never heard that before
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